Thursday, October 5, 2017

                                                          ABOUT FUTURISM



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As I write this, reports of mass murder in Las Vegas  hold the air waves hostage.  We hear the sniper killer's name over and over.  The press has questioned his brother and friends asking them for some idea, if they saw this coming.  It is among the stupidest questions always asked.   The press seems to think everyone is a profiler and seems aimed at adding to the guilt of the family.  They are already asking themselves that question.  It doesn't need to be their public  face:  "Hi,  I didn't see that my brother as a killer.  What do you do for a living?"

Meanwhile, the press trots out experts who know nothing yet of the person doing the killing and they get to make expert guesses.  What was the stressor?  What was the motive?  Tom Brokaw says he owns lots of guns but they aren't military type weapons and we need to have a discussion free of emotion about the use of those weapons.  No offense to Tom, but if that were possible we would have "solved" the problem long ago.

Whatever the killer's name or motive, whatever the names of those other killers, mass murderers over the decades with some sort of vendetta or religious crusade and their troubles and dreams or nightmares, the simple truth that never gets touched on, the reason behind all of it is our sin.  That primal sin in Eden.  The cumulative effect of sin after sin after sin in a world already fallen and dying, one we all seem intent on killing with our various discards and wastes.  One we do our best to deny killing even as we do our best to find some reason beyond the terrors of life itself for the insane person with the weapon in the Las Vegas motel, someone who arrived with an arsenal he easily slipped past whatever passed as security there and intended to kill or be killed and got both.

The truth is humanity has a killer instinct and the situation with guns in the USA in particular is designed to feed that urge.  If it continues that way, it doesn't take a prophet to predict another shooting some time soon.  Nor does it take a prophet to suggest we will do little to stop the flow of altered and unaltered military weapons, their collection and resale.  If you ask a "gun guy" why he has to have the weapons it most often comes out: "To keep the government from taking my weapons."  The idea that the government is coming for him, for HIM.  Don't suggest that the government probably wouldn't be coming for him if he didn't have military weapons to begin with.  Nor does it help that the "not gun guys" want to take the weapons and want the government to do it. Thus feeding the seizure fears.   It is also pointless to mention basic rights and the idea of just how many of those rights we all  would have to give up for the successful seizure of those weapons.

In our Fallen Flesh, we seek our own way, wrote a constitution  guaranteeing our rights in an era 200 years ago then persist in demanding rights not specifically included or denying rights that are there, calling valid press "fake" and demanding the firing of those who knell during pre game National Anthems to show disapproval of what they perceive as ingrained institutional bigotry and assassination agenda.  And run the ideas by courts that get "loaded" with judges who are seen to support one side or the other.

What does this have to do with futurism?

Some people think that prophecies are the same as bills of rights. written thousands of years ago and not really applicable today.  They were meant for the time of the prophesy, but if you apply them today, they don't fit.  Some even believe this:

"Christians have long understood prophecy to be a special quality of spirituality and courage; theologians speak of the prophetic obedience of Saint Francis, who knew that the institutional church was misguided in some ways, and who on occasion respectfully defied it authority out of a desire to lead it closer to the truth.  The vulgar notion of a prophet as merely a fortune-teller or seer of the kind featured nowadays in supermarket tabloids has nothing to do with the traditional Christian concept of prophesy and everything to do with the contemporary American infatuation with astrology, magic tricks, psychic readings and the like.  Yes, the Old Testament prophets occasionally predicted that certain events-whether messianic or cataclysmic-would occur at some time in the future and the Gospel writers adjusted elements of the story of Jesus so that they would seem to be fulfillments of some of those predictions.  Yet this kind of prognostication was always only a minor element of the prophetic role and no one ever interpreted those prophesies in the extremely specific way that Lindsey does.  (Hal Lindsey in The Late Great Planet Earth. W)  Being a prophet in\biblical times was not about forecasting  future events but about being close to God and helping God's people to feel closer to Him.  In the true biblical sense,the prophets of the twentieth-century Christian world are not people like Jeane Dixon of National Enquirer fame but people like Catholic Worker founder Dorthy Day and South African archbishop Desmond Tutu- people who, often in tension with established church authority, have spoken bravely and inspiringly of. what it means and doesn't mean to be a Christian and have shown by their example what posture  Christians should take toward the established order."


 Books worth of discussion concerning End Times belief exist and I usually assume my readers have seen many of the arguments and have sorted through them to arrive a some level agreement with me on futurists views.  But something got to me as I was researching other things and reading books I stumbled on along the way.  That something was the above, indeed, the entire text of Bruce Bawer's Stealing Jesus: how fundamentalism betrays Christianity.  The quote comes from pages 146-7 of that paperback text published in 1997.

To begin, let me say those few sentences testify to everything I agree and disagree with in the liberal ideals of religious America.

Modern prophets for me include Martin Luther King and Chuck Smith. Chuck Swindoll and Billy Graham.  Corrie Ten Boom and Brennan Manning.  John Piper and Watchman Nee. Philip Yancey and John MacArthur.   These are people who speak God's truth filtered by the experience and study God has given them, guided by the Holy Spirit to bring people closer to God.  Some like Billy Graham are gifted in evangelism. In bringing people to God in the beginning of their rebirth.  Like King, gifted in social activism.  In letting people see the power of a knee down against injustice, of arms linked against police with trained killer dogs and weapons.  Like Manning and Yancey, in personal activism that sometimes expanded into social activism.  Gifted to show the struggles of the common man in our attempts to understand this Christ, the Savior so unlike an human being, yet composed of all our flesh.  Like Nee and Corrie Ten Boom, in  perseverance against repression, in rising above the tides of evil.  Like MacArthur and Piper, gifted in teaching.  In letting us see what we can be by giving ourselves to the study and immersion in the Word.  Like Swindoll, gifted in teaching and as a speaker.  I think I once suggested as a new Christian listening to him I came to think of God as having that slight Texas twang in his voice. Like Chuck Smith, gifted in the founding of a new "denomination" which is loathe to call itself such.  Gifted to teach the Bible from beginning to end.  None of them would be called perfect or untouched by controversy.  Some of them would laugh at me for mentioning them in the presence of some of the others.

They are prophets in the modern sense in that they interpret the Word of God in new ways that reach others and increase their connection with the Lord through the power of the Spirit leading them.  From the net dictionary:

a person chosen to speak for God and to guide the people of Israel: Moses was the greatest of Old Testament prophets. (often initial capital letter) one of the Major or Minor Prophets

"Guide the people of God in Christ" might well be added to that.  

So Bawer and I are on common ground except some of those people, maybe all of them, would not meet his idea of the way the leading needs to be  done.  Because many are literalists. i.e., they believe the Bible to be literally true.  The prophets and apostles in the Bible clearly believed in the literal truth of Scripture.  And that defines our separation.

(Note: as I do this I realize the somewhat silly nature of quoting  Scripture as evidence to someone who does not accept it's inerrancy.  But I do it anyway.)

But let's discuss the prophesies a bit.  Go to:



 There are many Old Testament prophecies about Jesus Christ. Some interpreters place the number of Messianic prophecies in the hundreds. The following are those that are considered the clearest and most important.

Regarding Jesus’ birth—Isaiah 7:14: “Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.” 

Isaiah 9:6: “For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.” 

Micah 5:2: “But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times.”

Concerning Jesus' ministry and death—

Zechariah 9:9: “Rejoice greatly, O Daughter of Zion! Shout, Daughter of Jerusalem! See, your king comes to you, righteous and having salvation, gentle and riding on a donkey, on a colt, the foal of a donkey.” 

Psalm 22:16-18: “Dogs have surrounded me; a band of evil men has encircled me, they have pierced my hands and my feet. I can count all my bones; people stare and gloat over me. They divide my garments among them and cast lots for my clothing.”

Likely the clearest prophecy about Jesus is the entire 53rd chapter of Isaiah.

Isaiah 53:3-7 is especially unmistakable: “He was despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering. Like one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he took up our infirmities and carried our sorrows, yet we considered him stricken by God, smitten by him, and afflicted. But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed. We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all. He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth.”

The “seventy sevens” prophecy in Daniel chapter 9 predicted the precise date that Jesus, the Messiah, would be “cut off.”

For reference:

Da 9:1 In the first year of Darius, the son of Ahasuerus, of the seed of the Medes, who was made king over the kingdom of the Chaldaeans;
 2 In the first year of his rule, I, Daniel, saw clearly from the books the number of years given by the word of the Lord to the prophet Jeremiah, in which the making waste of Jerusalem was to be complete, that is, seventy years.
 3 And turning my face to the Lord God, I gave myself up to prayer, requesting his grace, going without food, in haircloth and dust.
 4 And I made prayer to the Lord my God, putting our sins before him, and said, O Lord, the great God, greatly to be feared. keeping your agreement and mercy with those who have love for you and do your orders;
 5 We are sinners, acting wrongly and doing evil; we have gone against you, turning away from your orders and from your laws:
 6 We have not given ear to your servants the prophets, who said words in your name to our kings and our rulers and our fathers and all the people of the land.
 7 O Lord, righteousness is yours, but shame is on us, even to this day; and on the men of Judah and the people of Jerusalem, and on all Israel, those who are near and those who are far off, in all the countries where you have sent them because of the sin which they have done against you.
 8 O Lord, shame is on us, on our kings and our rulers and our fathers, because of our sin against you.
 9 With the Lord our God are mercies and forgiveness, for we have gone against him;
 10 And have not given ear to the voice of the Lord our God to go in the way of his laws which he put before us by the mouth of his servants the prophets.
 11 And all Israel have been sinners against your law, turning away so as not to give ear to your voice: and the curse has been let loose on us, and the oath recorded in the law of Moses, the servant of God, for we have done evil against him.
 12 And he has given effect to his words which he said against us and against those who were our judges, by sending a great evil on us: for under all heaven there has not been done what has been done to Jerusalem.
 13 As it was recorded in the law of Moses, all this evil has come on us: but we have made no prayer for grace from the Lord our God that we might be turned from our evil doings and come to true wisdom.
 14 So the Lord has been watching over this evil and has made it come on us: for the Lord our God is upright in all his acts which he has done, and we have not given ear to his voice.
 15 And now, O Lord our God, who took your people out of the land of Egypt with a strong hand and made a great name for yourself even to this day; we are sinners, we have done evil.
 16 O Lord, because of your righteousness, let your wrath and your passion be turned away from your town Jerusalem, your holy mountain: because, through our sins and the evil-doing of our fathers, Jerusalem and your people have become a cause of shame to all who are round about us.
 17 And now, give ear, O our God, to the prayer of your servant and to his request for grace, and let your face be shining on your holy place which is made waste, because of your servants, O Lord.
 18 O my God, let your ear be turned and give hearing; let your eyes be open and see how we have been made waste and the town which is named by your name: for we are not offering our prayers before you because of our righteousness, but because of your great mercies.
 19 O Lord, give ear; O Lord, have forgiveness; O Lord, take note and do; let there be no more waiting; for the honour of your name, O my God, because your town and your people are named by your name.
 20 And while I was still saying these words in prayer, and putting my sins and the sins of my people Israel before the Lord, and requesting grace from the Lord my God for the holy mountain of my God;
 21 Even while I was still in prayer, the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at first when my weariness was great, put his hand on me about the time of the evening offering.
 22 And teaching me and talking to me he said, O Daniel, I have come now to give you wisdom.
 23 At the first word of your prayer a word went out, and I have come to give you knowledge; for you are a man dearly loved: so give thought to the word and let the vision be clear to you.
 24 Seventy weeks have been fixed for your people and your holy town, to let wrongdoing be complete and sin come to its full limit, and for the clearing away of evil-doing and the coming in of eternal righteousness: so that the vision and the word of the prophet may be stamped as true, and to put the holy oil on a most holy place.
 25 Have then the certain knowledge that from the going out of the word for the building again of Jerusalem till the coming of a prince, on whom the holy oil has been put, will be seven weeks: in sixty-two weeks its building will be complete, with square and earthwork.
 26 And at the end of the times, even after the sixty-two weeks, one on whom the holy oil has been put will be cut off and have no...;and the town and the holy place will be made waste together with a prince; and the end will come with an overflowing of waters, and even to the end there will be war; the making waste which has been fixed.
 27 And a strong order will be sent out against the great number for one week; and so for half of the week the offering and the meal offering will come to an end; and in its place will be an unclean thing causing fear; till the destruction which has been fixed is let loose on him who has made waste.
 (BBE)



Isaiah 50:6 accurately describes the beating that Jesus endured.

Isa 50:1 This is the word of the Lord: Where is the statement which I gave your mother when I put her away? or to which of my creditors have I given you for money? It was for your sins that you were given into the hands of others, and for your evil-doing was your mother put away.
 2 Why, then, when I came, was there no man? and no one to give answer to my voice? has my hand become feeble, so that it is unable to take up your cause? or have I no power to make you free? See, at my word the sea becomes dry, I make the rivers a waste land: their fish are dead for need of water, and make an evil smell.
 3 By me the heavens are clothed with black, and I make haircloth their robe.
 4 The Lord God has given me the tongue of those who are experienced, so that I may be able to give the word a special sense for the feeble: every morning my ear is open to his teaching, like those who are experienced:
 5 And I have not put myself against him, or let my heart be turned back from him.
 6 I was offering my back to those who gave me blows, and my face to those who were pulling out my hair: I did not keep my face covered from marks of shame.
 7 For the Lord God is my helper; I will not be put to shame: so I have made my face like a rock, and I am certain that he will give me my right.
 8 He who takes up my cause is near; who will go to law with me? let us come together before the judge: who is against me? let him come near to me.
 9 See, the Lord God is my helper; who will give a decision against me? truly, all of them will become old like a robe; they will be food for the worm.
 10 Who among you has the fear of the Lord, giving ear to the voice of his servant who has been walking in the dark and has no light? Let him put his faith in the name of the Lord, looking to his God for support.
 11 See, all you who make a fire, arming yourselves with burning branches: go in the flame of your fire, and among the branches you have put a light to. This will you have from my hand, you will make your bed in sorrow.
 (BBE)


Zechariah 12:10 predicts the “piercing” of the Messiah, which occurred after Jesus died on the cross.

Zec 12:1 The word of the Lord about Israel. The Lord by whom the heavens are stretched out and the bases of the earth put in place, and the spirit of man formed inside him, has said:
 2 See, I will make Jerusalem a cup of shaking fear to all the peoples round about, when Jerusalem is shut in.
 3 And it will come about in that day that I will make Jerusalem a stone of great weight for all the peoples; all those who take it up will be badly wounded; and all the nations of the earth will come together against it.
 4 In that day, says the Lord, I will put fear into every horse and make every horseman go off his head: and my eyes will be open on the people of Judah, and I will make every horse of the peoples blind.
 5 And the families of Judah will say in their hearts, The people of Jerusalem have their strength in the Lord of armies, their God.
 6 In that day I will make the families of Judah like a pot with fire in it among trees, and like a flaming stick among cut grain; they will send destruction on all the peoples round about, on the right hand and on the left: and Jerusalem will be living again in the place which is hers, that is, in Jerusalem.
 7 And the Lord will give salvation to the tents of Judah first, so that the glory of the family of David and the glory of the people of Jerusalem may not be greater than that of Judah.
 8 In that day the Lord will be a cover over the people of Jerusalem; and he who is feeble among them in that day will be as strong as David, and the family of David will be as God, as the angel of the Lord before them.
 9 And it will come about on that day that I will take in hand the destruction of all the nations who come against Jerusalem.
 10 And I will send down on the family of David and on the people of Jerusalem the spirit of grace and of prayer; and their eyes will be turned to the one who was wounded by their hands: and they will be weeping for him as for an only son, and their grief for him will be bitter, like the grief of one sorrowing for his oldest son.
 11 In that day there will be a great weeping in Jerusalem, like the weeping of Hadad-rimmon in the valley of Megiddon.
 12 And the land will give itself to weeping, every family separately; the family of David by themselves, and their wives by themselves; the family of Nathan by themselves, and their wives by themselves;
 13 The family of Levi by themselves, and their wives by themselves; the family of Shimei by themselves, and their wives by themselves;
 14 And all the other families by themselves, and their wives by themselves.
 (BBE)


Many more examples could be provided, but these will suffice.

The Old Testament most definitely prophesies the coming of Jesus as the Messiah.

                                                                                                                                                              


That last also prophesies the end times Armageddon.  If we believe the one telling of Him, then that confirms  the other.

This link listed 353 prophesies fulfilled by Christ's birth, life. death and resurrection.  




                                                                                                                                       





The books of the Old Testament contain many passages about the Messiah—all prophecies Jesus Christ fulfilled. For instance, the crucifixion of Jesus was foretold in Psalm 22:16-18 approximately 1,000 years before Christ was born, long before this method of execution was even practiced.

After Christ's resurrection, preachers of the New Testament church began to declare officially that Jesus was the Messiah by divine appointment:


"Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified." (Acts 2:36, ESV)

Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God, which he promised beforehand through his prophets in the holy Scriptures, concerning his Son, who was descended from David according to the flesh and was declared to be the Son of God in power according to the Spirit of holiness by his resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord." (Romans 1:1-4, ESV)

STATISTICAL IMPROBABILITY
Some Bible scholars suggest there are more than 300 prophetic Scriptures completed in the life of Jesus. Circumstances such as his birthplace, lineage, and method of execution were beyond his control and could not have been accidentally or deliberately fulfilled.

In the book Science Speaks, Peter Stoner and Robert Newman discuss the statistical improbability of one man, whether accidentally or deliberately, fulfilling just eight of the prophecies Jesus fulfilled.

The chance of this happening, they say, is 1 in 1017 power. Stoner gives an illustration that helps visualize the magnitude of such odds:

 Suppose that we take 1017 silver dollars and lay them on the face of Texas. They will cover all of the state two feet deep. Now mark one of these silver dollars and stir the whole mass thoroughly, all over the state. Blindfold a man and tell him that he can travel as far as he wishes, but he must pick up one silver dollar and say that this is the right one. What chance would he have of getting the right one? Just the same chance that the prophets would have had of writing these eight prophecies and having them all come true in any one man, from their day to the present time, providing they wrote using their own wisdom.



The mathematical improbability of 300, or 44, or even just eight fulfilled prophesies of Jesus stands as evidence to his messiahship.



PROPHECIES OF JESUS CHRIST
Although this list is not exhaustive, you'll find 44 messianic predictions clearly fulfilled in Jesus Christ, along with supporting references from the Old Testament and fulfillment in the New Testament.

44 Messianic Prophecies of Jesus
  Prophecies of Jesus Old Testament
Scripture New Testament
Fulfillment
1 Messiah would be born of a woman. Genesis 3:15 Matthew 1:20
Galatians 4:4
2 Messiah would be born in Bethlehem. Micah 5:2 Matthew 2:1
Luke 2:4-6
3 Messiah would be born of a virgin. Isaiah 7:14 Matthew 1:22-23
Luke 1:26-31
4 Messiah would come from the line of Abraham. Genesis 12:3
Genesis 22:18 Matthew 1:1
Romans 9:5
5 Messiah would be a descendant of Isaac. Genesis 17:19
Genesis 21:12 Luke 3:34
6 Messiah would be a descendant of Jacob. Numbers 24:17 Matthew 1:2
7 Messiah would come from the tribe of Judah. Genesis 49:10 Luke 3:33
Hebrews 7:14
8 Messiah would be heir to King David's throne. 2 Samuel 7:12-13
Isaiah 9:7 Luke 1:32-33
Romans 1:3
9 Messiah's throne will be anointed and eternal. Psalm 45:6-7
Daniel 2:44 Luke 1:33
Hebrews 1:8-12
10 Messiah would be called Immanuel. Isaiah 7:14 Matthew 1:23
11 Messiah would spend a season in Egypt. Hosea 11:1 Matthew 2:14-15
12 A massacre of children would happen at Messiah's birthplace. Jeremiah 31:15 Matthew 2:16-18
13 A messenger would prepare the way for Messiah Isaiah 40:3-5 Luke 3:3-6
14 Messiah would be rejected by his own people. Psalm 69:8
Isaiah 53:3 John 1:11
John 7:5
15 Messiah would be a prophet. Deuteronomy 18:15 Acts 3:20-22
16 Messiah would be preceded by Elijah. Malachi 4:5-6 Matthew 11:13-14
17 Messiah would be declared the Son of God. Psalm 2:7 Matthew 3:16-17
18 Messiah would be called a Nazarene. Isaiah 11:1 Matthew 2:23
19 Messiah would bring light to Galilee. Isaiah 9:1-2 Matthew 4:13-16
20 Messiah would speak in parables. Psalm 78:2-4
Isaiah 6:9-10 Matthew 13:10-15, 34-35
21 Messiah would be sent to heal the brokenhearted. Isaiah 61:1-2 Luke 4:18-19
22 Messiah would be a priest after the order of Melchizedek. Psalm 110:4 Hebrews 5:5-6
23 Messiah would be called King. Psalm 2:6
Zechariah 9:9 Matthew 27:37
Mark 11:7-11
24 Messiah would be praised by little children. Psalm 8:2 Matthew 21:16
25 Messiah would be betrayed. Psalm 41:9
Zechariah 11:12-13 Luke 22:47-48
Matthew 26:14-16
26 Messiah's price money would be used to buy a potter's field. Zechariah 11:12-13 Matthew 27:9-10
27 Messiah would be falsely accused. Psalm 35:11 Mark 14:57-58
28 Messiah would be silent before his accusers. Isaiah 53:7 Mark 15:4-5
29 Messiah would be spat upon and struck. Isaiah 50:6 Matthew 26:67
30 Messiah would be hated without cause. Psalm 35:19
Psalm 69:4 John 15:24-25
31 Messiah would be crucified with criminals. Isaiah 53:12 Matthew 27:38
Mark 15:27-28
32 Messiah would be given vinegar to drink. Psalm 69:21 Matthew 27:34
John 19:28-30
33 Messiah's hands and feet would be pierced. Psalm 22:16
Zechariah 12:10 John 20:25-27
34 Messiah would be mocked and ridiculed. Psalm 22:7-8 Luke 23:35
35 Soldiers would gamble for Messiah's garments. Psalm 22:18 Luke 23:34
Matthew 27:35-36
36 Messiah's bones would not be broken. Exodus 12:46
Psalm 34:20 John 19:33-36
37 Messiah would be forsaken by God. Psalm 22:1 Matthew 27:46
38 Messiah would pray for his enemies. Psalm 109:4 Luke 23:34
39 Soldiers would pierce Messiah's side. Zechariah 12:10 John 19:34
40 Messiah would be buried with the rich. Isaiah 53:9 Matthew 27:57-60
41 Messiah would resurrect from the dead. Psalm 16:10
Psalm 49:15 Matthew 28:2-7
Acts 2:22-32
42 Messiah would ascend to heaven. Psalm 24:7-10 Mark 16:19
Luke 24:51
43 Messiah would be seated at God's right hand. Psalm 68:18
Psalm 110:1 Mark 16:19
Matthew 22:44

44 Messiah would be a sacrifice for sin. Isaiah 53:5-12 Romans 5:6-8


                                                                                                                                                              

At this point, we now need to look again at that blue section of Mr. Bawer's text to understand our differences:

Yes, the Old Testament prophets occasionally predicted that certain events-whether messianic or cataclysmic-would occur at some time in the future and the Gospel writers adjusted elements of the story of Jesus so that they would seem to be fulfillments of some of those predictions. 


The literalist literally falls in a swoon hearing such talk.  She realizes that suggesting that essentially guts the whole notion of the story of Christ being true.  If the Apostles "adjusted elements" of the story, which elements?   What else did they adjust?  Did he really die?  Did he really come back from the dead?  Did he even live at all?  Can the reader select which elements to believe?  Bawer suggests essentially that we can ignore the idea of facts and still accept the concepts of love and life that Jesus offered. 

Bawer loves the ideas and the ideals of Jesus.  Bawer seems to love the revolutionary, the man against tradition, the one correcting the church even as Bawer expresses his love of  Day and Tutu for being against traditions of the Church.  He loves the guy who partied with sinners.  He likes the man talking to the woman at the well.  He would adore the guy throwing the moneychangers out.  

I know.  I do, too.  My rebellious streak loves Him.  Anyone who misuses God's goods for their own gain fails in my eyes.  But I have to recall that I could as easily fail given the opportunity of a massive national ministry and the money and the temptations the money brings with it.  

Yet Bawer's  basic attack here and elsewhere in his book is that this view of the prophets as predicting the future is against church tradition!  Read again that opening:

"Christians have long understood prophecy to be a special quality of spirituality and courage; theologians speak of the prophetic obedience of Saint Francis, who knew that the institutional church was misguided in some ways, and who on occasion respectfully defied it authority out of a desire to lead it closer to the truth.

Clearly, tradition that matches his prejudice is acceptable.  One could easily view the literalist believers as kicking over the tables of generalists and cleansing the temple of misguided teaching.  

Bawer spends a good deal of time in his book discussing the idea that claiming a tradition of literalism for the church is false, that it is a new-fangled "Merican" (spoken with a deep South drawl) notion.  And calling it "legalistic."  (Several chapters are devoted to it and he does a marvelous though slanted view on the history of literalism, even pointing out it's existence in earlier church eras.)  He uses that word is used to define literalism.   I can see his point. Many such people are legalistic and caustic and part of what has become the stereotype.   

But legalism and literalism are not actually the same.  

The Literalist believes the Word of God to be literally true except when obvious allusion is employed.  He believes the common creed we earlier discussed about the identity of Christ, one established long ago in Nicea.  Indeed, making that a founding tradition long before modernist thinking or the early corrupt Catholic Church variations on the Word.  

And the Word of God that offers common ground for both Bruce Bawer and I is found among other places in the 12th chapter of Mark where Jesus is confronted by various sects of the ruling Jewish classes.  Bawer:

"Finally, one of the scribes asks an apparently sincere question: "What is the first of all the commandments?"

"Jesus replies by quoting form the fifth book of Moses in the Hebrew Scriptures.  "The first is, "Hear, Oh Israel: the Lord our God is one lord, and you must love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.' The second is this: 'You must love your neighbor as yourself.' No other commandment is greater than these."

"These are the most treasured verses in Judaism, ' note the edition of the standard biblical commentary.  These verses are also at the heart of any true Christianity."

Now Bruce goes on to elaborate on this view.

"'Righteousness,' the editors of the commentary point out, 'is not to be understood as strict obedience to a complex code of laws and customs.  The one commandment that is central is the principle of love."  Jesus' u equivocal elevation of these verses above all other commandments demands we test all scripture, all dogma, and even everything that Jesus is reported to have said and done against this commandment, which many Christians call the Great Commandment, and which Anglicans call the Summary of the Law-for mystery of mysteries, the law itself is summed up in a law that not only allows but compels violation of lesser laws.  'When there is wholehearted  love for the All, for the universal good we might say,' writes Huston Smith, 'Then the will wants that good and needs no rules.'"

pages 50-51

To Bawer: "Sir, you are still obeying a commandment.  It is in fact the greatest but you need to realize, Jesus added ways to expand on that commandment.  (I list them in at yourtruelifnow,com.)  Jesus himself says it does not abrogate the Law.  

New International Version
Matthew 5:18

For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

We would likely have a long argument about what was meant by "it is finished" from the cross, but clearly not  everything including the Resurrection is accomplished.  Those who do not accept Him still face the judgement of the Law.  but if you ignore those parts of salvation and think just living right does "the trick"  then, Bawer  is following a shadow of Jesus as much as  so many of my literalist brothers who ignore the love part

My follow up question is this: if we can't trust the Word to be literally true, how can we trust THIS PARTICULAR word?  Maybe Jesus was just saying that to placate his killers and stall for the perfect time to be killed that he might resemble that Messiah of the Scriptures more aptly and earn his name for eternity.  

Bawer knows this is true because he likes the ideas and he find them thoroughly comforting and fitting for him. 

I find them that way on one level, too.  But I know they are true because they are accurately recorded by the Apostles, repeated elsewhere and affirmed by James as the Royal Law in his letter. Not because they are the focus of a church canon that edifies me.  

(For a discussion of how the apostles agree but each puts a light of understanding on a different emphasis see http://www.jamesbrotherofjesus.com/  

I read Scripture as true and when it seems to contradict I ask God to explain things to me in a way I can understand and I also understand that sometimes, not often, but sometimes, I will find something I can't understand.  I could not understand the idea of the OT slaughter of other tribes until I realized they were invaded by genetic abnormality.  I could, ot understand God's taking the life of some of his believers until I realized they were washed in sin as we all are and God could as easily have taken us all long ago, wiped the slate clean except that the sacrifice of his Son reached back and protected us all and that examples had to be made sometimes that we could learn.  The Holy Spirit did no operate the same then as now because Jesus actual death had not happened, but it operated enough to sort the lines of man and to touch those who would listen and so some who would not listen were also made examples.  They were spiritually defective  and the genetics of those others were a reflection of that defect.  

Because I believe the word, I believe we are meant to love and carry His love in us empowered by the Spirit to live it out. 

So I arrive at the most basic difference between Bawer and myself: he  made a personal choice to follow God and goes forward on his own power.  I have made a personal choice to follow God and go forward on His power.  I truly hope i am wrong in this and that we both are under his power, both saved by grace. 

You see, God is  concerned about both this life AND the next one.  His eternal focus is beyond us to a degree.  He doesn't always  correct errors of scientific ignorance made by humans, e.g. Joshua calling for the stopping of the sun in it's course across then sky because he is more concerned with the faith in Him that Joshua shows by asking for that. (Bawer:  p. 88) (I can believe He did that because He did create the universe and we humans always seem so intent on the notion that the universe has rules that must be obeyed that we forget it, like us, has a Master who makes the real rules.  We have yet to work out a math to cover all the contingencies of astronomy and are hoping dark matter will explain  some of those oddities.  Our understanding is just starting.)  But as we saw in the case of Balaam, he will even use a donkey to correct spiritual errors.  His wrath in the OT was to get people to realize who He is and to turn to Him before they were lost forever like the ones who were examples.  

I mentioned the sniper attacks because people wonder why God did not stop them.  Bawer wonders how the OT God could seem so savage and really sees it as an incongruity not to be understood.  My answer is that God explains himself very clearly in Revelation as he issues some truly devastating harm on the people and the planet during the  Tribulation time.  Please see clearly what he is saying so often after each event of destruction from heaven:  "And still they will not repent."

With Bawer, I would call for that common creed sung  above.  The creed of Nicea, yes, but the deeper creed even one who doesn't see perfection in Scripture can grasp and admire:  Love God with all your being, love your neighbor as yourself, in all things do unto others as you would have them do unto you.  Oh,  the others matter, things like loving your enemy and studying the Word and prayer as often as possible.  But because the Word is true that love comes only with the fullness of Christ and the definition of actual love only from the Spirit within us after salvation no matter what creed we claim or the focus of it, We live for Christ.  May we repent our own failings in that. 

As for me, I hope to carry on til next time.


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Wednesday, September 27, 2017

                                                             THE TWO WITNESSES

So let's start again where we left off:

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 Many of the tribulation saints will also have heard the gospel from the two witnesses (Revelation 11:1–13). The Bible says these two individuals “will prophesy for 1,260 days [three and a half years]” (verse 3) and perform great miracles (verse 6)


Re 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
 2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. {leave out: Gr. cast out}
 3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. {I will give...: or, I will give unto my two witnesses that they may prophesy}
 4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
 5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
 6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
 7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
 8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
 9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
 10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
 11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
 12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
 13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven. {of men: Gr. names of men}

 (KJV)


While there are guesses and arguments about the identity of the Antichrist and the False Prophet as we've mentioned that range all over, the discussion over the two witnesses in these verses equals that guessing game.


https://www.gotquestions.org/two-witnesses.html


Question: "Who are the two witnesses in the book of Revelation?"

Answer: 
There are three primary viewpoints on the identity of the two witnesses in Revelation 11:3-12: (1) Moses and Elijah, (2) Enoch and Elijah, (3) two unknown believers whom God calls to be His witnesses in the end times. (1) Moses and Elijah are seen as possibilities for the two witnesses due to the witnesses' power to turn water into blood (Revelation 11:6), which Moses is known for (Exodus chapter 7), and their power to destroy people with fire (Revelation 11:5), which Elijah is known for (2 Kings chapter 1). Also giving strength to this view is the fact that Moses and Elijah appeared with Jesus at the transfiguration (Matthew 17:3-4). Further, Jewish tradition expected Moses and Elijah to return in the future. Malachi 4:5 predicted the return of Elijah, and the Jews believed that God’s promise to raise up a prophet like Moses (Deuteronomy 18:1518) necessitated his return.

(2) Enoch and Elijah are seen as possibilities for the two witnesses because they are the two individuals whom God has taken to heaven apart from experiencing death (Genesis 5:232 Kings 2:11). The fact that neither Enoch or Elijah have experienced death seems to qualify them to experience death and resurrection, as the two witnesses experience (Revelation 11:7-12). Proponents of this view claim that Hebrews 9:27 (all men die once) disqualifies Moses from being one of the two witnesses, as Moses has died once already (Deuteronomy 34:5). However, there are several others in the Bible who died twice—e.g., Lazarus, Dorcas, and the daughter of the synagogue ruler—so there is really no reason why Moses should be eliminated on this basis.

View (3) essentially argues that Revelation chapter 11 does not attach any famous identity to the two witnesses. If their identities were Moses and Elijah, or Enoch and Elijah, why would Scripture be silent about this? God is perfectly capable of taking two "ordinary" believers and enabling them to perform the same signs and wonders that Moses and Elijah did. There is nothing in Revelation 11 that requires us to assume a "famous" identity for the two witnesses.

Which view is correct? The possible weakness of (1) is that Moses has already died once, and therefore could not be one of the two witnesses, who die, which would make Moses a contradiction of Hebrews 9:27. Proponents of (1) will argue that all of the people who were miraculously resurrected in the Bible (e.g., Lazarus) later died again. Hebrews 9:27 is viewed, then, as a "general rule," not a universal principle. There are no clear weaknesses to view (2), as it solves the "die once" problem, and it makes sense that if God took two people to heaven without dying, Enoch and Elijah, it was to prepare them for a special purpose. There are also no clear weaknesses to view (3). All three views are valid and plausible interpretations that Christians can have. The identities of the two witnesses is an issue Christians should not be dogmatic about.


                                                                                                                                                                  





Many Christians through the ages have wondered who the "two witnesses" of Revelation 11 happen to be. The two witnesses are among the most dramatic characters of Scripture. They prophesy before the world for three and a half years (1,260 days) (11:3). During this time, they can strike the earth with whatever plague they desire, and cannot be harmed by their enemies (11:5-6). Ultimately, they are killed by the beast (11:7) but they rise to life in three and a half days (11:11). How are we to understand the two witnesses and the unusual happenings surrounding their lives?

Are they two actual people who prophesy before Jesus’ return? Do they symbolize the church in an aspect of its gospel preaching? Commentators have found Revelation 11 quite difficult to interpret and have identified the two witnesses in more than a dozen ways. Let’s see what the book of Revelation tells us.

John does not name or specifically identify the two witnesses. However, some indicators point the way towards at least their symbolic identification. Revelation describes the two witnesses as two olive trees and the two lampstands standing before the Lord (11:4). Not surprisingly, an Old Testament passage contains these images. Zechariah saw a vision of a solid gold lampstand with a bowl at its top containing seven lights. By the bowls, one on each side, were the two olive trees (4:2-3).

Zechariah asked the angel for the identity of the two olive trees. The angel’s answer was: "These are the two who are anointed to serve the Lord of all the earth" (4:14). That is, they are witnesses or prophets of God.

The subject of Zechariah’s book was a call to God’s people to repent (Zechariah 1:3). As did their ancient predecessors, the two witnesses wear rough sackcloth, a badge of the office of a prophet who calls people to repentance. In ancient times, sackcloth was the garment depicting mourning and contrition (Jeremiah 4:8Matthew 11:21).

In Zechariah, the two olive trees stand beside the lampstand that has seven lights. Revelation uses a lampstand as a symbol of the church (1:20). Perhaps John was trying to tell his readers that the two witnesses were to be identified with the church, perhaps as its representatives or leaders. Through them the divine light of God reflected by the churches is made evident to the world (Matthew 5:15-16).

It’s also possible that the two witnesses are symbolically modeled after Moses and Elijah. They "have power to shut up the sky so that it will not rain" (11:6). This power was associated with Elijah, whose prayer caused a terrible drought in Israel (1 Kings 17:1).
Elijah’s deed was proverbial among Jews in the first century. James mentioned the drought as an example of the power of a righteous person’s prayer (James 5:17). He said that Elijah’s prayer caused a drought of exactly three and a half years — the time referred to in Revelation in various forms. Luke also referred to the famine in Elijah’s time, and said it had a length of three and a half years (4:25). Interestingly, in 1 Kings the time of the drought is said to be "the next few years" (17:1) or about three years (18:1).
As did Moses, the two witnesses "have power to turn the waters into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague" (11:6 with Exodus 7:14-21). This recalls Moses’ role as God’s agent, who through ten plagues — including turning the Nile and the waters of Egypt into blood — brought down the most powerful kingdom of the day.
Also, like Elijah, the two witnesses can consume their enemies with fire, if they try to hurt them (11:5 with 2 Kings 1:10). This fire is said to "come from their mouths" (11:5). Such a literal occurrence would be an odd sight, indeed!
It seems clear, then, that the two witnesses are portrayed as coming in the power of both Moses and Elijah, two of the greatest prophets of the Jewish nation. The writer appears to be creating a symbolic universe for his readers in which he is making a connection between God's acts in Jewish history and through the church.
Perhaps there is a literal aspect to the fire from heaven or other elements, but we cannot neglect their metaphorical meaning. Fire coming from the mouth is a symbol used for powerful preaching. The image was used of Jeremiah’s witnessing: "I will make my words in your mouth a fire and these people the wood it consumes" (5:14).

(I would suggest there is a definite literal meaning and perhaps a symbolic one though I would agree the symbolism is also likely.  Why is it that so many on each side can't realize God does things with multiple meanings and implications as our study here has shown again and again.  The problem with symbolic meaning is that we have to realize the symbolism needs to connect with the text not with some thesis someone developed. This is a good example of exploring a symbol from the text and making a fine analysis,  Here the question is legitimate though I suspect the writer fails to see that BOTH the symbolic and the literal are possible. W

However, Jeremiah did not do any miraculous works. He was a prophet who spoke God’s word. That was the only "fire" that came out of his mouth. He "tormented" Judah with his spiritually sharp words, which his hearers could not bear.

We must be careful, then, how we interpret the images of Revelation. Is the preaching of the two witnesses the "fire" that "kills" their enemies by being unbearable? Or do they actually call down real fire from heaven, which is said to come from their mouth — at their request? (To repeat, it would be strange, indeed, if actual fire came from the mouth of two human beings. Yet, that would be the conclusion of a literal interpretation of this image.)

(I think I have some responsibility to suggest that things we find strange, i.e. talking mules, the sun stopped in the sky, a world wide flood, the blind healed, the dead raised, are prety much the sock and trade of our Lord. W)
In any case, the imagery of Revelation 11 is so carefully worked out to coincide with the most noteworthy accomplishments of Elijah and Moses that it cannot be accidental. John is giving his hearer - readers a message. When you think of the two witnesses, think of Moses and Elijah.
Why was he doing this? Here is one possible answer. The Jews commonly expected that Elijah and Moses would somehow "return" before the end-time (Mark 9:11). This idea was based on Old Testament texts. The prophet Malachi had written in God’s name: "I will send you the prophet Elijah before that great and dreadful day of the Lord comes" (4:5). Of course, Jesus had already pointed out that Malachi’s "Elijah" was a symbol for a great prophet, in this case John the Baptist (Matthew 11:11-14). So had the Gospel of Luke (1:16).  

(Another possible answer: the guiding of then Holy Spirit. W.)
Thus, the church should have understood that "Elijah" had already come, and he was symbolic of John the Baptist. Perhaps, because of some Jewish thinking to the contrary, a question about this had arisen in the church.
In the same way, the Jews expected a Moses to come on the scene at some point in the future (John 6:14). This idea may have come from Moses’ prophecy of Christ ("I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers"), which was sometimes misunderstood to refer to Moses himself (Deuteronomy 18:18).
Christ himself seemed to play on this important symbolism. It was Moses and Elijah who appeared with Jesus in the Transfiguration (Mark 9:4). Apparently, the disciples who saw this associated the vision with the kingdom to come at the end of the age.


While I have cited these two  sources only, they tend to summarize the various ideas.  Historicists tend to see the witnesses as all those who rose against the papacy over the centuries.  This is the case of coming at the text with a thesis and making the symbol fit the preconceived notion. We've touched on many of the martyrs here and in Myth misunderstanding.   The view here:  These are two real people who will stand against the AC and the FP for the first 3 1/2 years of the Tribulation.  They will preach and apparently will develop a following.  

But two things of note.  The first comes from an old riddle:


There's a boy and his dad they got in a severe car accident. They were rushed to the hospital where they were separated into separate rooms. The Doctor went into the boys room and said I can not operate on him he is my son.
How can this be?

Now, I first heard this decades ago when there was no Grey's Anatomy on the TV.  You have to have been living a bit isolated not to know the answer is: because the doctor is his mother.  

I read commentary after commentary and never was the idea ventured that one or both might be a woman.  I suppose somewhere in the Greek something is in masculine tense, but it never reaches into any translation.  Not to diss my own gender, I suspect the main reason is that the commentaries are written by men.  The Witnesses  are referred to always in plural, acting together as one.  Which makes me think more of  Priscilla and Aquila, the couple who accompanied Paul for some of his missions.

I copy here an extensive report on their life and times with Him.  Their story is worth the space.  If it teaches nothing else, it teaches the secret of success in a Christian marriage.  The support of each  for the other. 



Dr. Luke records the first meeting of the Apostle Paul with this couple in Corinth thus: “And he [Paul] found a certain Jew named Aquila, born in Pontus, who had recently come from Italy with his wife Priscilla (because Claudius had commanded all the Jews to depart from Rome); and he came to them” (Acts 18:2). Aquila was originally from the Roman province of Pontus on the south shore of the Black Sea, called the Euxine Sea during the Roman period. His Latin name, Aquila, means “eagle.” Most likely he was a freedman living in Rome because most of the Jews living in Rome at this time were such.

We are not told where Priscilla is from, her ethnicity, or her religious heritage. Her name is a common Roman name among the aristocratic families. Luke hints at the fact that she is not of Jewish heritage because he states Aquila is Jewish, but does not refer to her as such. Whether she was a convert to Judaism, and thus a proselyte, or a convert to Christianity, we are not told. She could have been originally from Rome and Aquila met and married her in the Eternal City.

There are at least four possibilities as to how and when this couple came to faith in the Lord Jesus. First, Aquila could have heard the preaching of Peter in Jerusalem on the Day of Pentecost in AD 30. Dr. Luke records that there were Diaspora Jews from Pontus in Jerusalem for this festival (Acts 2:9). If Aquila heard Peter, he might have been touched by the words of the apostle and convicted by the Holy Spirit of his sin of unbelief. He realized he was a sinner, as we all are, and could not merit salvation or work for it. He realized the Lord Jesus was the Messiah of Israel who fulfilled the prophecies of His first coming to the earth. Aquila might have put his trust in the Lord Jesus as his Savior and Messiah at that time. When the festival was over, he returned to his Diaspora home in Pontus.

The second possibility is that he and his wife could have been part of the Jewish and proselyte delegation from Rome that made the pilgrimage to Jerusalem for Pentecost in AD 30 (Acts 2:10). This would have been another opportunity for them to come to faith. The third possibility could have been if Aquila heard the preaching of Peter on the apostle’s missionary trip through Pontus in AD 40-42 (I Peter 1:1; cf. Acts 12:17). Jerome, one of the early church fathers, states in his Lives of Illustrious Men: “Simon Peter … after having been bishop of the church in Antioch and having preached to the Dispersion – the believers in circumcision, in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia – pushed on to Rome in the second year of Claudius” (1994:3:361). The final possibility might have been if they were in Rome in AD 42 when Peter arrived in the second year of Claudius. Peter could have led them to the Lord at that time.

These possible scenarios also raise some interesting questions. Was Peter invited by Aquila to minister in Pontus on his first missionary journey in AD 40-42? This would have been a follow-up ministry visit to those who had come to faith in the Lord Jesus on the day of Pentecost ten years earlier. Did Peter take Aquila with him as a disciple when he ventured to the city of Rome after his first missionary journey? If this is the case, it would account for how Aquila got to Rome. Does a “nice Jewish boy” from Pontus marry a proselyte or Christian girl from Rome after Peter introduced them to each other? Was Aquila one of the leaders in the “pro-Cephas” faction in the church at Corinth (cf. 1 Cor. 1:12; 3:22)? If so, he was being loyal to the one who led him to the Lord and mentored him. These are questions that can be asked, but Scripture is silent as to the answers.

I am looking forward to that day in Heaven when I can sit down with Priscilla and Aquila and hear their life story. I am also curious to know how they risked their neck for the Apostle Paul. It should be easy to find the mansion that the Lord Jesus prepared for them (John 14:3) because it will have beautiful Corinthian columns in front of it!

Aquila and Priscilla’s name appears together six times (Acts 18:2,18,26; Rom. 16:3; 1 Cor. 16:19; 2 Tim. 4:19), in the Textus Receptus, half the time she is mentioned before her husband (Acts 18:18; Rom. 16:3; 2 Tim. 4:19 where she is called Prisca). The name “Priscilla” is the diminutive of “Prisca.” I suspect her name was put first because she had a more active spiritual role in the church, but that is only speculation on my part.

Aquila and Priscilla in Rome – Acts 18:2

Scripture does state that Aquila and Priscilla were expelled from Rome by a decree during the days of Emperor Claudius (Acts 18:2). Most scholars date this decree to AD 49. There are some scholars, however, who have suggested AD 41 as the possible date for the expulsion (Murphy-O’Connor 1983:130-140; 1992:47-49). The Roman historian, Suetonius, wrote that “since the Jews constantly made disturbances at the instigation of Chrestus, he expelled them from Rome” (Claudius 25:4; LCL 2:53). Whether Chrestus is another name for Christ, or the name of a Jewish rabble rouser in Rome, is debated. Dr. Luke records that Aquila and Priscilla “recently” arrived in Corinth from Rome. This would rule out the earlier expulsion in AD 41. But the record is clear; Claudius expelled the Jews from Rome.

Apparently Claudius’s decree did not discriminate between Jews and Messianic Jews, those Jews who had put their trust in the Lord Jesus as Messiah. Aquila, a Messianic Jew, and his wife Priscilla were included in the expulsion from Rome.

Aquila and Priscilla in Corinth – Acts 18:2-18

Aquila and Priscilla decided to relocate to the Roman colony of Corinth and practiced their trade of tentmaking in that cosmopolitan and Latin speaking city. They would have arrived several years before the Apostle Paul and most likely would have started evangelistic work in the city, or continued what the Apostle Peter may have started if he came through Corinth in AD 42.

In AD 52, Paul arrived in Corinth to begin his evangelistic endeavors. Silas and Timothy soon joined Paul in the work. Perhaps they had heard of the work in Corinth and came along to help. One other thing that may have attracted these three apostles to Corinth was the Isthmian Games that were held near Corinth (Acts 18:2-5).

The Apostle Paul was attracted to this couple, not only because of their common faith in the Lord Jesus, but also because of their common occupation. Dr. Luke records: “for by occupation they were tentmakers” (Acts 18:3). Both were involved in this trade which indicates that this was a family business.

There have been several suggestions as to what the “tentmaking” profession involved. Some have suggested, because Paul was from Tarsus in Cilicia, his father had taught him the trade of weaving tent cloth from goat’s hair (cilicium). Others have suggested, because the tents were made of leather, that the tentmaking involved leather working. Hiebert points out that “Paul’s father was a strict Pharisee (Acts 23:6) and thus regarded contact with the skins of dead animals as defiling, it seems improbable that he would have permitted his son to learn such a trade” (1992:29).

Aquila and Priscilla were from Rome and in the Eternal City there was a Tentmakers Associations, called in Latin collegium tabernaclariorum (Murphy-O’Conner 1992:44). Pliny the Elder (AD 23-79) describes what was made of linen cloths: awnings used to cover theaters, the Roman Forum, the Sacred Way, and Nero’s amphitheaters. It was also used for awnings in houses and sails for ships (Natural History19:23-25; LCL 5:435-437).

Aquila and Priscilla would have had no problem finding employment when they arrived in Corinth or establishing their own business. Shades were needed for the construction work going on in Corinth at this time, sails for ships were in need of mending as ships crossed the Isthmus of Corinth, and tents were in need of mending during the Isthmian Games. Their workshop afforded them the opportunity for evangelism (Hock 1978, 1979).

Where the shop was located in Corinth is an open question. Murphy-O’Conner suggested it might have been in the newly built North Market located just to the north of the Archaic Temple to Apollo (1983:169). However, a careful reading of the preliminary excavation report suggests this market had not been built at this time and was built by the initiative of Emperor Vespasian after the earthquake of AD 77-78 (de Waele 1930:453).

Aquila and Priscilla in Ephesus – Acts 18:19;24-28; 1 Cor. 16:19

After 18 months of ministering in Corinth, Paul decided to move his base of operation to Ephesus. He took Aquila and Priscilla to this major trading center on the west coast of Asia Minor, the fourth largest city in the Roman Empire; Rome, Alexandria and Antioch on the Orontes being larger (Acts 18:18,19). Paul left them there in order to establish the work in the city. He also promised that he would return to Ephesus after his visit to Jerusalem.

In Ephesus they established a church that met in their house (1 Cor. 16:19). This afforded them the opportunity to show hospitality to sinners and saints. One day, while attending the synagogue in Ephesus, they heard Apollos, a Jewish preacher from Alexandria (Egypt) who was eloquent and mighty in the Scriptures, but he only knew of the baptism of John (Acts 18:24-25). After the meeting, they took him aside, apparently to their home, and explained to him the finer points of the Word of God and his salvation (Acts 18:26).

Aquila and Priscilla did not have roast preacher for lunch that day, instead they had home-made apple pie on a silver platter. The Book of Proverbs says: “A word fitly spoken is like apples of gold in settings of silver” (25:11). I realize I am allegorizing this passage, but you get the point. They did not take him home and say, “That was a stupid sermon, don’t you know your Bible? Don’t you know what happened after John the Baptizer? Don’t you know about Jesus?” No, they brought him home, showed him hospitality by feeding him a good meal and then gently and lovingly “explained to him the way of God more accurately” (18:26).

When Paul arrived in Ephesus during his third missionary journey, he ministered in the city for nearly three years (Acts 20:31). While there, he and Timothy had a discipleship program in the School of Tyrannus (Acts 19:9; 20:31). Paul did not want to be a burden on the church in Ephesus, so he stayed and worked with Aquila and Priscilla (Acts 20:34). Some manuscripts in 1 Cor. 16:19 say, “Aquila and Prisca with whom I lodge” (Hiebert 1992:31).

In the quietness of the home, after the business of the day, the three of them discussed missionary strategy. While in Ephesus, Paul saw the importance of going to Rome. Most likely it was Aquila and Priscilla that planted the thought in his mind that the Spirit of God used to direct Paul’s ways (Acts 19:21). Several years later, Paul wrote to the Roman church from Corinth and he conveyed a more detailed and refined plan. He would stop by Rome on his way to Spain (1:10-13; 15:22-28).

Aquila and Priscilla in Rome Again – Rom. 16:3-4

The next time Aquila and Priscilla are recorded in Scripture is when they are back in Rome when the epistle to the Romans arrives in AD 58 (Rom. 16:3-5). Rome, not Corinth or Ephesus, was home for them, so they returned to the Eternal City sometime after the death of Claudius on October 13, AD 54 and Nero’s reversal of the Jewish expulsion decree. Murphy-O’Conner suggests they returned to Rome during the summer of AD 55 (1992:51).

Paul would have sent them on their way with his blessings because they would be preparing the church in Rome for his visit. Most likely they returned home via Corinth in order to visit the saints in that city. Possibly they persuaded Epaenetus to join them in the work in Rome as well (cf. Rom. 16:5b).

Paul indicates that there is a church meeting in their home (Rom. 16:5a).  A 6th century AD tradition has it that their house church was on the Aventine Hill, on todays Via Prisca (Platner 1929:65-67). This site was excavated by the Augustinian monks of St. Prisca between 1934 and 1958. Underneath the church they found a Mithraeum with an altar dating to the 2nd century AD with statues of Oceanus Saturnus and Mithras killing the bull. This is called today the Mithraeum Domus Sanctae Priscae (Richardson 1992:257-258).

When Paul instructs the church at Rome to greet Priscilla and Aquila on his behalf, he describes them as his “fellow workers in Christ Jesus, who risked their own necks for my life, to whom not only I give thanks, but also, all the churches of the Gentiles” (16:3b,4). Paul had labored with them in Corinth and the beginning of the work at Ephesus. Paul mentions an event that is unrecorded in the book of Acts: they put their life on the line for the Apostle Paul. What they did, we do not know, but it must have been heroic because the Gentile church gave thanks. We have a hint from Paul’s writings as to the nature of this event.  He writes: “For we do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, of our trouble which came to us in Asia: that we were burdened beyond measure, above strength, so that we despaired even of life. Yes, we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves but in God who raises the dead, who delivers us from so great a death, and does deliver us, in whom we trust that He will still deliver us” (2 Cor. 1:8-10; cf. Acts 20:19). Paul also mentioned fighting the beasts in Ephesus (1 Cor. 15:32). Exactly what the “sentence of death in ourselves” or the circumstances leading up to fighting the beasts, we are not told. Perhaps the letter carrier told the Corinthian believers when he delivered the letter to them.

Whatever they did to risk their necks for Paul’s sake might have been in the back of the apostle’s mind when he wrote earlier in the epistle to the Romans: “For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrated His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us” (5:7-8).

Why does Paul mention this event in his letter to the Romans? Some Gentile believers in the church in Rome may have wanted to marginalize this Messianic Jewish couple and the church that was in their home. Paul says to greet them (the Greek word has the idea of giving them a big bear hug) and thank them for risking their lives for his sake. Paul says that even their fellow Gentiles in churches in the east have been thankful for their testimony. In essence, Paul was trying to unify the church in Rome that was divided along economic, gender and ethnic lines.

The church had been meeting in the home of Aquila and Priscilla for nearly 10 years when a catastrophe struck. The Great Fire of July 19, AD 64, completely destroyed or seriously damaged 10 of the 14 districts of Rome, including the homes on the Aventine Hill. Aquila and Priscilla may have been homeless in Rome (again), along with tens of thousands of other Romans.

(I hear the echoes of hurricane victims today, without homes, living by prayer and rainwater  in Puerto Rico, unable to phione loved ones, hoping food arrives.   In trailers and hand to mouth in Texas, hoping for a replacement for lost jobs, for lost homes.  On Florida Keys, seeing nothing where there was once a community, struggling to find transportation, laid off because no ships are coming to port there.  It has gone on for forever because of that sin thing, that sin thing that keeps pulling us back.  Do we see the destruction we have wrought by the continuation of our sin, by our refusal to repent? The power of our disobedience felt across the world in tidal waves and earthquakes and tornados.  The things God has kept in check that will suddenly be slowly unleashed when the saved are gone. And how those poor unsaved will face it with no faith only a false hope.  And how this couple those centuries ago led by the Spirit worked together, constantly together, as we are all supposed to do, as so many of us fail to do. W.)

Perhaps they saw the handwriting on the wall. There were rumors that Nero had started this fire, thus making it a government induced crisis, so he could build his Domus Aurea (“Golden House/Palace”) and engage in extensive urban renewal (Suetonius, Nero 38; LCL 2:155,157; Tacitus, Annals 15:38-44; LCL 5:271-285). He quickly blamed the Christians for starting the fire and they were soon persecuted.

Aquila and Priscilla in Ephesus Again – 2 Tim. 4:19

Aquila and Priscilla, perhaps being homeless and fearing the persecution that followed the fire, presumably escaped to Ephesus. When Paul wrote his son in the faith, Timothy, who was in Ephesus in AD 67, he instructed him to “greet Prisca and Aquila, and the household of Onesiphorus (2 Tim. 4:19).

It may be instructive to note that Paul does not mention a church meeting in their house. This couple may have lost everything, and maybe in the Great Fire of Rome - their home, their business. They may have escaped with their lives, the shirt on their back, and any money they could carry. It could also be an indication that the church in Ephesus was well established and meeting in other places, thus there was no need for them to open their home.

Lessons from the Lives of Aquila and Priscilla

There are at least three lessons we can learn from the life of this godly couple who wanted their lives to be used in the service of the Lord. First, they understood the providential workings of God in their lives. Second, they experienced togetherness, some have suggested it should be “two-getherness” in their marriage. And finally, they put God first in their lives.

God’s Providence in the lives of Aquila and Priscilla

Let’s look at how the big picture may have taken shape. Perhaps we have a nice Jewish boy from Pontus who goes to Rome. He meets a nice aristocratic Gentile or Christian woman and they get married and begin to establish their lives together in Rome. Along comes Emperor Claudius and expels them from Rome so they lost their home and their business. In events like this, most people would have gotten bent out of shape by these events, but our couple may have considered that they still had each other, and that God, in His providence, may have moved them to Corinth where they met, ministered to, and eventually worked closely with the Apostle Paul in strategic missionary endeavors. Can anybody see the Hand of God here?

Nothing happens in our life by chance. We want to understand the “big picture” of our lives because God has put eternity in our hearts. We want to know the end from the beginning (Eccl. 3:11). But we don’t understand the “big picture” because we are frail, sinful, finite human beings, thus Solomon said to enjoy life, for it is a gift from God (Eccl. 2:24; 3:12-13,22; 5:18-20; 8:15; 9:7-9). So as believers in the Lord Jesus, we must trust the Lord that He is sovereign and in control of every detail of our life. He is leading us by His Word and His providence in order that we might be conformed to the image of His Son (Rom. 8:18-30).
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The Two-getherness of Aquila and Priscilla

When Aquila and Priscilla are mentioned in scripture, they are always mentioned together, never separately. They appeared to be inseparable. Someone once said that “togetherness is a multifaceted thing that involves every dimension of our lives. There is emotional intimacy (the depth sharing of significant feelings), intellectual intimacy (the sharing in the world of ideas), aesthetic intimacy (the depth sharing of experiences of beauty), creative intimacy (the sharing of acts of creativity), recreational intimacy (sharing activities and fun times), work intimacy (sharing in common tasks), crisis intimacy (standing together against the buffeting of life), spiritual intimacy (the sharing of ultimate concerns), and sexual intimacy. True togetherness comes as we experience intimacy in each of these areas” (cited in Harbour 1979:121).

As we examine these nine aspects of intimacy, it can be observed from the limited information recorded in the Scriptures that Aquila and Priscilla experienced at least four of them. The first, spiritual intimacy is seen in the fact that their lives centered on the Lord and His Church. They opened their home up to the local church and they entertained traveling preachers. Second, work intimacy is seen in their tent-making together. Apparently this was a family business that they were both involved in. Third, instructing Apollos shows their intellectual intimacy. They both knew the Scriptures well and they wanted to share them with others. Finally, putting their life on the line for Paul’s sake and moving for the sake of the gospel showed their crisis intimacy. I am sure if Scripture had recorded more of the lives of these two saints, we would have seen more intimacy in their two-getherness.

Aquila and Priscilla put the Lord first in their lives

When the Lord Jesus gave the Sermon on the Mount, He said “seek first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness and all these things [food, clothing and drink] shall be added to you” (Matt. 6:33). The Apostle Paul describes Aquila and Priscilla as “fellow workers in Christ Jesus” (Rom. 16:3). We have seen that this couple was missions minded, they opened their home so that the believers could gather to remember the Lord, pray, and have fellowship as they were instructed in the Word of God (cf. Acts 2:42). They also were engaged in “secular” employment so that they were not a financial burden on the churches. Yet God blessed them with a very successful business so they could show hospitality to the saints by inviting the church in their home. For a detailed discussion of hospitality in the church, see Strauch 1993.

May there be an increase in the church of couples like Aquila and Priscilla who have a godly marriage for ministry.



Married, working together, studying the Word together, growing in Christ together, working with Paul every step of the way in tentmaking and ministry.  You never see any miracles attributed to them, but they seem to have the same "chemistry" as the witnesses.  I can see a married couple as easily as two men so long as the Spirit wills it.  I can even see it as perhaps a way of reaching everyone with their witness.   


And even if I am in error here, it provides us with the Biblical view of marriage as a partnership IN Christ even as the witnesses are a partnership IN Christ, powered by the Holy Spirit.

Whether I am correct in this insight or overstepping, the point made above is the one that matteres:  Seek First the Kingdom of God.   

I don't discount the idea the two are great men from the Israelite past, but they are never named as such.  Clearly the Holy Spirit will empower the witnesses  similarly to Moses and Elijah and we futurists seem fascinated with the idea of ancient prophets dropped directly from Heaven to die for God. The mentioned example of John the Baptist  being Elijah in spirit by The Spirit takes home the most cogent point: the Spirit can empower anyone in the way of Moses or Elijah.  The lack of names of identity implies that God is keeping them hidden from Satan and from other believers until they are there to testify.  Since  the Rapture occurs PRE Tribulation, it lends credence to theory  the witnesses are dropped in by God to start evangelizing immediately. The witnesses seem to know a lot about  the Bible and evangelizing but they could as easily be ones who convert right after the Rapture,  are filled with the Spirit for immediate service, are gifted in interpretation and evangelizing even we have pointed out the Spiritual gifts certain of us today. .  

Which brings up my next point: these are believers.  Two people who will be aware who they are.  They will know their mission.  They will know they are given a power for a short time and they will know their mission.  

We've stressed the need for all this in every Christian life.  Because, one day, God will call on each of us.  It might be in a moment on a train or plane, in an instant in an elevator, while talking at the coffee urn at break, words shared with a water or waitress, with a friend over drinks, at a quiet moment after a stressful day, in the car taking your children or someone else's home from school or a game or a party.  It might be by the way you have chosen not to swear at work, not to belittle a coworker or your bosses.  It might be by the way you have taken cares with a loved one or been kind to strangers.

But more, Christians in every country included the USA will face sanctions and prejudices more powerfully until the days ot the actual Tribulation.  These are a part of the birth pangs of the new universe, just off over the horizon of our current one, the one aching to be born again into sanctity and the perfection this one lost.    We may all face repression and persecution as so many of us already face the world over, as we have pointed out since the beginning of this blog.  We know it.  It is predicted by God an therefore it will be.  His children have faced it with hope and martyrdom across the centuries.  Our blogs have touched on that, too.  So I emphasize it here again with these two witnesses.  With a song as introduction:



These two know they are going to die.  For a couple thousand years God has told them that.  They are going to die and be resurrected.  They will do their jobs for Him.  They are not named here most of all because their NAMES DON'T MATTER.  They will carry His name wherever they go and it is a statement to our own egos that we want to know their names.  We want to know who these heroes or heroines are.  Since most of the  commentaries I find out there are written by men, we see them framed as men.  Since we admire those Old Testament  heroes of the faith so much, we brand them with those names, even argue about which name is correct, wanting the right one to get credit.  When God sent the Elijah of Jesus' day, he was a crazed wildman eating honeycomb and nuts and berries crying in the wilderness and to this day as we've noted in another blog on John, there are still people who claim HE was the Messiah.  We want our heroes to look like us  It has given us vulnerable spots and sometimes led us to elect the wrong people or to go to war for dictators who tell us our countries are what matter.  It has always been this way.  We chose a smiling serpent who told us what we secretly wanted to hear over God.  We chose a strong heroic looking king that we demanded instead of waiting for God to give us His David.  The world around the two witnesses with choose the AC and the FP telling them that they can be God themselves over the way to salvation and life offered by the two witnesses who will know even as Jesus knew, that their actions will lead to their deaths and believe as He believed that God will resurrect them.  

They will know they will die and they will believe they will be raised.  Like Jesus himself did.  How he chose this life to reach us all.  Max Lucado with verses added by me:



"We need a simple home with a single mom and an ordinary laborer.  Jesus neighbors remembered him as a worker.

Mr 6:2 And when the sabbath day was come, he began to teach in the synagogue: and many hearing him were astonished, saying, From whence hath this man these things? and what wisdom is this which is given unto him, that even such mighty works are wrought by his hands?
 3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him. {offended: scandalized in, or, by him}
 (KJV)


"Jesus had dirty hands and sweat stained shirts and-this may surprise you-ordinary looks.


Isa 53:2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
 (KJV)

"He had to enter every detail of human life... experience it all himself-all the pain, all the testing-and be able to help where help was needed. 

Heb 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
 18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.
 (KJV)

"Why would Heaven's finest Son endure life's toughest pain? (Death on the cross. W) So you would know that He knows how you feel."



And knowing that about Him, the witnesses will choose to die by whatever force the Satan brings against them. 

Note here that they are dead on the streets, left for the buzzards and crows and bugs to feed on while the world that could not longer tolerate the Message of Christ celebrates that no one is wracking their consciences with the truth.  Some suggest this 3 and a half day period corresponds with the three and half years from the date of the Fifth Lateran Council declaring end to protest to the Popes until the time Luther nailed the 95 Theses to the door of the Wittenberg Church.  This Historicist view comes from the idea that the prophets here represent the many original protestant groups from the early Catholic eras. They base the analysis on the idea that the dead bodies of many of those protesters were left with nowhere to be buried since they were denied sacred burial ground by excommunication.   I mention this since it demonstrates again the way we reach to match events to Scripture and suit our own thesis when we are faced with one simple detail that was impossible then but very possible now thanks to satellites and vast television networks:

 9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
 10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

One need only point out that no one in Australia  at that time saw any of those early Protestant dead bodies to prove that not all "nations" witnessed the terrors of the Dark Ages. Now, all peoples CAN see those bodies which was obviously impossible until the last decade or so.  Men may make all their thesis based on  their own limited knowledge, making Historicist and Preterist beliefs seem much more accurate for a time.  They could hold sway BEFORE Israel was reborn, before the advent of USSR as a world power and even when it looked like Russia was fallen.  Yet God raised them up again as He resurrected the dry bones of Israel.  As he enabled the scientific advances that  men  now bring to witness   the world wide destruction He predicted, even as that ability has increased the egos of the men controlling the weapons of that advance, into seeing themselves as gods. 

The two witnesses are real people who will evangelize a world that has lost the sense of the Voice of God, shouting at the spiritually deaf until the ears of some are opened. And their deaths will echo throughout the following  three and a half years in the lives of those they convert, in the face of the worst times in human history even into martyrdom.  Saving some despite the odds.  It says a lot about all of us that their words and acts of obedience will matter while we are arguing about their names.  We all lose focus too easily.   

Meanwhile what awaits the world after the end of the Russian battle, events  all wrapped around these main characters, forms the story of humanity's last days in our Fallen Flesh. And of God's last valiant efforts to get us home before it is too late.  Efforts partly founded in the 144,000 and the witnesses.  The  efforts are called judgements. As with any judgement, the one judged can accept the verdict and repent or just keep going.   Really, what we will spend a few future posts on will be the last hopes, the calls of God to those who never listened before.  

But , first we have to pause for a consideration of our End Times view.