IIIb.
Ge 3:8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day. And Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God in the middle of the trees of the garden.
9 And the LORD God called to Adam and said to him, Where are you?
10 And he said, I heard Your voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I am naked, and I hid myself.
11 And He said, Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten of the tree which I commanded you that you should not eat?
12 And the man said, The woman whom You gave to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I ate.
13 And the LORD God said to the woman, What is this you have done? And the woman said, The serpent deceived me, and I ate.
14 And the LORD God said to the serpent, Because you have done this you are cursed more than all cattle, and more than every animal of the field. You shall go upon your belly, and you shall eat dust all the days of your life.
15 And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her Seed; He will bruise your head, and you shall bruise His heel.
16 To the woman He said, I will greatly increase your sorrow and your conception. In pain you shall bear sons, and your desire shall be toward your husband, and he shall rule over you.
17 And to Adam He said, Because you have listened to the voice of your wife and have eaten of the tree, of which I commanded you, saying, You shall not eat of it! The ground is cursed for your sake. In pain shall you eat of it all the days of your life.
18 It shall also bring forth thorns and thistles to you, and you shall eat the herb of the field.
19 In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are, and to dust you shall return.
20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve, because she was the mother of all living.
21 And for Adam and his wife the LORD God made coats of skins, and clothed them.
22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man has become as one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put forth his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever,
23 therefore the LORD God sent him out from the garden of Eden to till the ground from which he had been taken.
24 And He drove out the man. And He placed cherubs at the east of the garden of Eden, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to guard the way to the tree of life.
(MKJV
Matthew Poole http://www.theopedia.com/matthew-poole opens this installment.
Genesis 3:8
The voice of the Lord God, mentioned Ge 3:9, or rather the sound, as the word voice is often taken in Scripture, as Ps 93:3; Re 10:3; 19:6. Either God the Father, or rather God the Son, appeared in the shape of a man, as afterwards he frequently did, to give a foretaste of his incarnation. About evening, the time when men use to walk abroad to recreate themselves, when there was a cool and refreshing wind, whereby also the voice of the Lord was more speedily and effectually conveyed to Adam and his wife.
Adam and his wife hid themselves: being sensible of God's approach, and filled with shame and conscience of their own guilt, and dread of judgment, instead of flying to God for mercy, they foolishly attempted to run away from him, whom it was impossible to avoid.
At times I think I have stumbled onto something new then learn that commentaries from 1600's have the same idea as I do. Only about 500 years ahead of me. But again, it's very comforting to discover we agree about it being Jesus in the garden. The ironies pile up, Jesus betrayed by Judas in the garden, betrayed by Adam in the Garden.
Something to consider. Adam and Eve had perfect DNA. They had a ruddy or red skin. This we get from the translation of Adam. Genesis 5:2 "He created them male and female, and blessed them, and called their name Adam, {"Adam" and "Man" are spelled with the exact same consonants in Hebrew, so this can be correctly translated either way.} in the day when they were created."
(WEB) It means "red" or "brownish red". This perfect DNA was somehow broken and set in the breeding of their children, somehow diluted. (A further discussion for next time) The deeper the pool the more that DNA was diluted. Genes split, divided. Red heads and blondes and fair skin and deep black. "Blue eyes crying in the rain." "Brown eyed girl." "Jeannie with the Light Brown hair." All the environmental influences evolutionists have defined as observably altering genomes and alleles.
But God set a people aside. His chosen people. Did you consider why? Really, was there ever anything morally exceptional about the Jewish people? The Bible makes it abundantly clear that God didn't pick them because they were in any way different from the rest of us. Same foibles and mess ups. Same desires and lusts and behaviors. Killers, thieves, rapists, liars, deceivers, The rabbis recorded all manner of conversations contending this and that about their forefathers and stumbling around blindly when they got to Jacob who lied, stole his fortune, tricked everybody in his family except his mother. Wrestled with God over his identity, lost and then insisted on being blessed, which was a human tradition. The patriarchs were supposed to be special and they had this one guy who they had a very hard time painting in a good light. They were religious leaders and it only made sense that God chose their people because they were exceptional, better than others. Otherwise, why would He do it?
Remember we had that discussion that there could be a genetically perfect person in the world someplace. A ruddy skinned Puerto Rican woman being the "ideal" subject. The odds are astronomically against it, but it is physically possible. Recall that the genetically perfect person would not be what we call human but would be like us? Get where I'm going?
Suppose God handpicked those ruddy-skinned folks WAYYY back then because they would create a lineage that would eventually, over a long time, result in that genetically correct woman (I know. This sounds soooo Catholic.) . Not a sinless person. Definitely not a virgin birth since that perfection would only come from a combination of male and female genes. A woman who was devoted to God. One with a perfect genetic structure to produce His Son. The Second Adam. Born genetically perfect, taken from a woman similar to the first woman being taken from man. I did mention I would go some places not in the Bible, but I keep coming back to this making sense. But that's human sense so take it as that. I don't know God's motives or methods, but this seems to be what has been revealed to us so far. That Jesus was the Second Adam.
The Bible says Jesus was tempted like you and I and certainly those perfect genes in Eden submitted to the temptation.
Because Adam and Eve then faced the fate of their yielding to it.
Another thing that suggests God appeared in physical form and that Jesus did it more than just this once was that Adam and Eve thought they could hide from Him. Our perfect genetic flesh was used to mingling with Him physically. They were used to seeing a man like them because they actually thought they could hide from Him. That they could somehow escape their fate. Or that he would be so angry He would wipe them out and start again.
Matt Henry:
Genesis 3:9 Ge 3:9
We have here the arraignment of these deserters before the righteous Judge of heaven and earth, who, though he is not tied to observe formalities, yet proceeds against them with all possible fairness, that he may be justified when he speaks. Observe here,
I. The startling question with which God pursued Adam and arrested him: Where art thou? Not as if God did not know where he was; but thus he would enter the process against him.
"Come, where is this foolish man?"
Some make it a bemoaning question:
"Poor Adam, what has become of thee?"
"Alas for thee!"
(so some read it)
"How art thou fallen, Lucifer, son of the morning! Thou that wast my friend and favourite, whom I had done so much for, and would have done so much more for; hast thou now forsaken me, and ruined thyself? Has it come to this?"
It is rather an upbraiding question, in order to his conviction and humiliation: Where art thou? Not, In what place? but, In what condition?
"Is this all thou hast gotten by eating forbidden fruit? Thou that wouldest vie with me, dost thou now fly from me?"
Note,
1. Those who by sin have gone astray from God should seriously consider where they are; they are afar off from all good, in the midst of their enemies, in bondage to Satan, and in the high road to utter ruin. This enquiry after Adam may be looked upon as a gracious pursuit, in kindness to him, and in order to his recovery. If God had not called to him, to reclaim him, his condition would have been as desperate as that of fallen angels; this lost sheep would have wandered endlessly, if the good Shepherd had not sought after him, to bring him back, and, in order to that, reminded him where he was, where he should not be, and where he could not be either happy or easy. Note,
2. If sinners will but consider where they are, they will not rest till they return to God.
II. The trembling answer which Adam gave to this question: I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, Ge 3:10. He does not own his guilt, and yet in effect confesses it by owning his shame and fear; but it is the common fault and folly of those that have done an ill thing, when they are questioned about it, to acknowledge no more than what is so manifest that they cannot deny it. Adam was afraid, because he was naked; not only unarmed, and therefore afraid to contend with God, but unclothed, and therefore afraid so much as to appear before him. We have reason to be afraid of approaching to God if we be not clothed and fenced with the righteousness of Christ, for nothing but this will be armour of proof and cover the shame of our nakedness. Let us therefore put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and then draw near with humble boldness.
(Henry never resists the urge to evangelize. I hope to be so focused.)
God opens the conversation. He reaches out to them. As always. They are now set apart by their sin and He goes to them because they can not come to Him. They can't cover their own sin any more than they could cover their nakedness with any fig leaves.
If our suggestion that this was Jesus is correct, then we realize it was ALWAYS Christ who first reached out to us. That it was Jesus who taught us our purpose in Eden, who told us what to do in naming the animals, who bound us together as woman and man. God as Jesus acted to reveal their sin, to reach out to them to bring them back and to provide the temporary covering of animal sacrifice for their nakedness and sin. Jesus offered the first temporary bridge even as his sacrifice would later offer the permanent bridge. John's Gospel now echos more deeply in our history.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
(KJV)
Thomas' falling before Him and saying "My Lord. My God." Suddenly this strikes us as the only way to see Jesus. That He has been with us always.
But Adam and Eve then began the pattern of humanity when faced with their sin:
Jamieson, et. al.:
Ge 3:10-13. THE EXAMINATION.
10. afraid, because ... naked--apparently, a confession--the language of sorrow; but it was evasive--no signs of true humility and penitence--each tries to throw the blame on another.
12. The woman ... gave me--He blames God [CALVIN]. As the woman had been given him for his companion and help, he had eaten of the tree from love to her; and perceiving she was ruined, was determined not to survive her [M'KNIGHT].
Genesis 3:13 Ge 3:13
13. beguiled--cajoled by flattering lies. This sin of the first pair was heinous and aggravated--it was not simply eating an apple, but a love of self, dishonor to God, ingratitude to a benefactor, disobedience to the best of Masters--a preference of the creature to the Creator.
"She did it. You gave her to me. I would never have done this on my own."
Please recall she was taken from his rib. Physically, except for a couple gene pops, she was him. Recall this the next time your wife overspends, buys too many shoes like in the shoe ads on TV or decides it's a good idea to get a collection of Diamonique jewelry from QVC. Recall that when you buy the bass boat or that new car when you could have gotten by with a used one. I merely pick this as the one argument couples have when they discover they are in debt too deep to dig out. When they have listened to the modern serpent on the TV in the ongoing ad for a life style as opposed to a saved life.
The bond with God was broken and that resulted in physical as well as spiritual results.
14 And the LORD God said to the serpent, Because you have done this you are cursed more than all cattle, and more than every animal of the field. You shall go upon your belly, and you shall eat dust all the days of your life.
15 And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her Seed; He will bruise your head, and you shall bruise His heel.
What happened to the dinosaurs? Sagan called them "the Dragons of Eden" in his book by the same title. He contended that there were dragons in Eden and they were the dinosaurs. I often agree with that based on the curse God gave the serpent and on John calling Satan "the dragon" in Eden,. It appears in mythology all over the world.
Humanity has the memory of the dragon. Scientists who study such things across cultures seem to believe the discovery of dinosaur bones lent to this idea of the dragon and to the legend of giants. This would, of course, require the discovery of a whole dinosaur corpse in EVERY culture of the world. Whereas the story of them in Eden passed on from the beginning, parent to child, would explain their omnipresence.
In the curse, we see the serpent had legs: he walked upright. God took that from him. He may have been a dinosaur or a dragon, a creature we have no bones from, perhaps the perfect reptile crafted specifically for the environment of Eden. If this happened before death haunted the world, then there would be no bones from that beast to be seen, We know there are vestigial bones on the skeletons of snakes that show they were able to walk at one time. The fact they lost their legs has not real biological advantage so the idea of natural selection holds little water when discussing this. The usual argument is it was a logical development at the time it occurred. Which is another way of saying it is so it must have been the right thing for natural selection to do.
Our take: The targeting of Churches will increase because of this so called campaign. The government authorities must take notice and prevent communal elements from spreading hatred and from disturbing the harmony in society.
Ge 3:8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day. And Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God in the middle of the trees of the garden.
9 And the LORD God called to Adam and said to him, Where are you?
10 And he said, I heard Your voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I am naked, and I hid myself.
11 And He said, Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten of the tree which I commanded you that you should not eat?
12 And the man said, The woman whom You gave to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I ate.
13 And the LORD God said to the woman, What is this you have done? And the woman said, The serpent deceived me, and I ate.
14 And the LORD God said to the serpent, Because you have done this you are cursed more than all cattle, and more than every animal of the field. You shall go upon your belly, and you shall eat dust all the days of your life.
15 And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her Seed; He will bruise your head, and you shall bruise His heel.
16 To the woman He said, I will greatly increase your sorrow and your conception. In pain you shall bear sons, and your desire shall be toward your husband, and he shall rule over you.
17 And to Adam He said, Because you have listened to the voice of your wife and have eaten of the tree, of which I commanded you, saying, You shall not eat of it! The ground is cursed for your sake. In pain shall you eat of it all the days of your life.
18 It shall also bring forth thorns and thistles to you, and you shall eat the herb of the field.
19 In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are, and to dust you shall return.
20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve, because she was the mother of all living.
21 And for Adam and his wife the LORD God made coats of skins, and clothed them.
22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man has become as one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put forth his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever,
23 therefore the LORD God sent him out from the garden of Eden to till the ground from which he had been taken.
24 And He drove out the man. And He placed cherubs at the east of the garden of Eden, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to guard the way to the tree of life.
(MKJV
Matthew Poole http://www.theopedia.com/matthew-poole opens this installment.
Genesis 3:8
The voice of the Lord God, mentioned Ge 3:9, or rather the sound, as the word voice is often taken in Scripture, as Ps 93:3; Re 10:3; 19:6. Either God the Father, or rather God the Son, appeared in the shape of a man, as afterwards he frequently did, to give a foretaste of his incarnation. About evening, the time when men use to walk abroad to recreate themselves, when there was a cool and refreshing wind, whereby also the voice of the Lord was more speedily and effectually conveyed to Adam and his wife.
Adam and his wife hid themselves: being sensible of God's approach, and filled with shame and conscience of their own guilt, and dread of judgment, instead of flying to God for mercy, they foolishly attempted to run away from him, whom it was impossible to avoid.
At times I think I have stumbled onto something new then learn that commentaries from 1600's have the same idea as I do. Only about 500 years ahead of me. But again, it's very comforting to discover we agree about it being Jesus in the garden. The ironies pile up, Jesus betrayed by Judas in the garden, betrayed by Adam in the Garden.
Something to consider. Adam and Eve had perfect DNA. They had a ruddy or red skin. This we get from the translation of Adam. Genesis 5:2 "He created them male and female, and blessed them, and called their name Adam, {"Adam" and "Man" are spelled with the exact same consonants in Hebrew, so this can be correctly translated either way.} in the day when they were created."
(WEB) It means "red" or "brownish red". This perfect DNA was somehow broken and set in the breeding of their children, somehow diluted. (A further discussion for next time) The deeper the pool the more that DNA was diluted. Genes split, divided. Red heads and blondes and fair skin and deep black. "Blue eyes crying in the rain." "Brown eyed girl." "Jeannie with the Light Brown hair." All the environmental influences evolutionists have defined as observably altering genomes and alleles.
But God set a people aside. His chosen people. Did you consider why? Really, was there ever anything morally exceptional about the Jewish people? The Bible makes it abundantly clear that God didn't pick them because they were in any way different from the rest of us. Same foibles and mess ups. Same desires and lusts and behaviors. Killers, thieves, rapists, liars, deceivers, The rabbis recorded all manner of conversations contending this and that about their forefathers and stumbling around blindly when they got to Jacob who lied, stole his fortune, tricked everybody in his family except his mother. Wrestled with God over his identity, lost and then insisted on being blessed, which was a human tradition. The patriarchs were supposed to be special and they had this one guy who they had a very hard time painting in a good light. They were religious leaders and it only made sense that God chose their people because they were exceptional, better than others. Otherwise, why would He do it?
Remember we had that discussion that there could be a genetically perfect person in the world someplace. A ruddy skinned Puerto Rican woman being the "ideal" subject. The odds are astronomically against it, but it is physically possible. Recall that the genetically perfect person would not be what we call human but would be like us? Get where I'm going?
Suppose God handpicked those ruddy-skinned folks WAYYY back then because they would create a lineage that would eventually, over a long time, result in that genetically correct woman (I know. This sounds soooo Catholic.) . Not a sinless person. Definitely not a virgin birth since that perfection would only come from a combination of male and female genes. A woman who was devoted to God. One with a perfect genetic structure to produce His Son. The Second Adam. Born genetically perfect, taken from a woman similar to the first woman being taken from man. I did mention I would go some places not in the Bible, but I keep coming back to this making sense. But that's human sense so take it as that. I don't know God's motives or methods, but this seems to be what has been revealed to us so far. That Jesus was the Second Adam.
The Bible says Jesus was tempted like you and I and certainly those perfect genes in Eden submitted to the temptation.
Because Adam and Eve then faced the fate of their yielding to it.
Another thing that suggests God appeared in physical form and that Jesus did it more than just this once was that Adam and Eve thought they could hide from Him. Our perfect genetic flesh was used to mingling with Him physically. They were used to seeing a man like them because they actually thought they could hide from Him. That they could somehow escape their fate. Or that he would be so angry He would wipe them out and start again.
Matt Henry:
Genesis 3:9 Ge 3:9
We have here the arraignment of these deserters before the righteous Judge of heaven and earth, who, though he is not tied to observe formalities, yet proceeds against them with all possible fairness, that he may be justified when he speaks. Observe here,
I. The startling question with which God pursued Adam and arrested him: Where art thou? Not as if God did not know where he was; but thus he would enter the process against him.
"Come, where is this foolish man?"
Some make it a bemoaning question:
"Poor Adam, what has become of thee?"
"Alas for thee!"
(so some read it)
"How art thou fallen, Lucifer, son of the morning! Thou that wast my friend and favourite, whom I had done so much for, and would have done so much more for; hast thou now forsaken me, and ruined thyself? Has it come to this?"
It is rather an upbraiding question, in order to his conviction and humiliation: Where art thou? Not, In what place? but, In what condition?
"Is this all thou hast gotten by eating forbidden fruit? Thou that wouldest vie with me, dost thou now fly from me?"
Note,
1. Those who by sin have gone astray from God should seriously consider where they are; they are afar off from all good, in the midst of their enemies, in bondage to Satan, and in the high road to utter ruin. This enquiry after Adam may be looked upon as a gracious pursuit, in kindness to him, and in order to his recovery. If God had not called to him, to reclaim him, his condition would have been as desperate as that of fallen angels; this lost sheep would have wandered endlessly, if the good Shepherd had not sought after him, to bring him back, and, in order to that, reminded him where he was, where he should not be, and where he could not be either happy or easy. Note,
2. If sinners will but consider where they are, they will not rest till they return to God.
II. The trembling answer which Adam gave to this question: I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, Ge 3:10. He does not own his guilt, and yet in effect confesses it by owning his shame and fear; but it is the common fault and folly of those that have done an ill thing, when they are questioned about it, to acknowledge no more than what is so manifest that they cannot deny it. Adam was afraid, because he was naked; not only unarmed, and therefore afraid to contend with God, but unclothed, and therefore afraid so much as to appear before him. We have reason to be afraid of approaching to God if we be not clothed and fenced with the righteousness of Christ, for nothing but this will be armour of proof and cover the shame of our nakedness. Let us therefore put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and then draw near with humble boldness.
(Henry never resists the urge to evangelize. I hope to be so focused.)
God opens the conversation. He reaches out to them. As always. They are now set apart by their sin and He goes to them because they can not come to Him. They can't cover their own sin any more than they could cover their nakedness with any fig leaves.
If our suggestion that this was Jesus is correct, then we realize it was ALWAYS Christ who first reached out to us. That it was Jesus who taught us our purpose in Eden, who told us what to do in naming the animals, who bound us together as woman and man. God as Jesus acted to reveal their sin, to reach out to them to bring them back and to provide the temporary covering of animal sacrifice for their nakedness and sin. Jesus offered the first temporary bridge even as his sacrifice would later offer the permanent bridge. John's Gospel now echos more deeply in our history.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
(KJV)
Thomas' falling before Him and saying "My Lord. My God." Suddenly this strikes us as the only way to see Jesus. That He has been with us always.
But Adam and Eve then began the pattern of humanity when faced with their sin:
Jamieson, et. al.:
Ge 3:10-13. THE EXAMINATION.
10. afraid, because ... naked--apparently, a confession--the language of sorrow; but it was evasive--no signs of true humility and penitence--each tries to throw the blame on another.
12. The woman ... gave me--He blames God [CALVIN]. As the woman had been given him for his companion and help, he had eaten of the tree from love to her; and perceiving she was ruined, was determined not to survive her [M'KNIGHT].
Genesis 3:13 Ge 3:13
13. beguiled--cajoled by flattering lies. This sin of the first pair was heinous and aggravated--it was not simply eating an apple, but a love of self, dishonor to God, ingratitude to a benefactor, disobedience to the best of Masters--a preference of the creature to the Creator.
"She did it. You gave her to me. I would never have done this on my own."
Please recall she was taken from his rib. Physically, except for a couple gene pops, she was him. Recall this the next time your wife overspends, buys too many shoes like in the shoe ads on TV or decides it's a good idea to get a collection of Diamonique jewelry from QVC. Recall that when you buy the bass boat or that new car when you could have gotten by with a used one. I merely pick this as the one argument couples have when they discover they are in debt too deep to dig out. When they have listened to the modern serpent on the TV in the ongoing ad for a life style as opposed to a saved life.
The bond with God was broken and that resulted in physical as well as spiritual results.
14 And the LORD God said to the serpent, Because you have done this you are cursed more than all cattle, and more than every animal of the field. You shall go upon your belly, and you shall eat dust all the days of your life.
15 And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her Seed; He will bruise your head, and you shall bruise His heel.
What happened to the dinosaurs? Sagan called them "the Dragons of Eden" in his book by the same title. He contended that there were dragons in Eden and they were the dinosaurs. I often agree with that based on the curse God gave the serpent and on John calling Satan "the dragon" in Eden,. It appears in mythology all over the world.
| Asian dragons | |||
| Chinese dragon | Lóng (or Loong. Lung2 inWade-Giles romanization.) | The Chinese dragon, is a creature in Chinese mythology that also appears in other Asian cultures, and is sometimes called the Oriental (or Eastern) dragon. Depicted as a long, snake-like creature with four claws (or five for the imperial dragon), it has long been a potent symbol of auspicious power in Chinese folklore and art. This type of dragon, however, is sometimes depicted as a creature constructed of many animal parts. It might have the fins of some fish, or the horns of a stag. | |
| Nāga | A serpentine dragon common to all cultures influenced by Hinduism. They are often hooded like a cobra and may have several heads depending on their rank. They usually have no arms or legs but those with limbs resemble the Chinese dragon. Other dragons are the Vrtra the serpent dragon who is defeated by Indra the thunder god and king of heaven, and the other evil serpent in Vedic lore, Ahi (cognate with the Zoroastrian Azi Dahaka). Another dragon who appears in the Indian mythology is- the Kaliya nag, which was defeated by lord Krishna. It is said that Krishna did not kill the snake and left it. The Kaliya Nag is said to have more than 1000 fangs. | ||
| Indonesian/Malay dragon | Naga or Nogo | Derived from the Indian nāga, belief in the Indo-Malay dragon spread throughout Maritime Southeast Asia with Hinduism. The word naga is still the common Malay/Indonesian term for dragon.[1] Like its Indian counterpart, the naga is considered divine in nature, benevolent, and often associated with sacred mountains, forests, or certain parts of the sea.[citation needed] | |
| Japanese dragon | Ryū | Similar to Chinese dragons, with three claws instead of four. They are usually benevolent, associated with water, and may grant wishes. | |
| Khmer Dragon | Neak | The Khmer dragon, or neak is derived from the Indian nāga. Like its Indian counterpart, the neak is often depicted with cobra like characteristics such as a hood. The number of heads can be as high as nine, the higher the number the higher the rank. Odd-headed dragons are symbolic of male energy while even headed dragons symbolize female energy. Traditionally, a neak is distinguished from the often serpentine Makar and Tao, the former possessing crocodilian traits and the latter possessing feline traits. A dragon princess is the heroine of the creation myth of Cambodia. | |
| Korean dragon | Yong (Mireu) | A sky dragon, essentially the same as the Chinese lóng. Like the lóng, yong and the other Korean dragons are associated with water and weather. In pure Korean, it is also known as 'mireu'. | |
| Imoogi | A hornless ocean dragon, sometimes equated with a sea serpent. Imoogi literally means, "Great Lizard". The legend of the Imoogi says that the sun god gave the Imoogi their power through a human girl, which would be transformed into the Imoogi on her 17th birthday. Legend also said that a dragon-shaped mark would be found on the shoulder of the girl, revealing that she was the Imoogi in human form. | ||
| Gyo | A mountain dragon. In fact, the Chinese character for this word is also used for the imoogi. | ||
| Philippine Dragon | Bakunawa | The Bakunawa appears as a gigantic serpent that lives in the sea. Ancient natives believed that the Bakunawa caused the moon or the sun to disappear during an eclipse. It is said that during certain times of the year, the Bakunawa arises from the ocean and proceeds to swallow the moon whole. To keep the Bakunawa from completely eating the moon, the natives would go out of their houses with pots and pans in hand and make a noise barrage in order to scare the Bakunawa into spitting out the moon back into the sky. Some say that the Bakunawa is known to kill people by imagining their death and remote in eye contact. | |
| Vietnamese dragon | Rồng or Long
(Ly dynasty, Daiviet X)
| These dragons' bodies curve lithely, in sine shape, with 12 sections, symbolising 12 months in the year. They are able to change the weather, and are responsible for crops. On the dragon's back are little, uninterrupted, regular fins. The head has a long mane, beard, prominent eyes, crest on nose, but no horns. The jaw is large and opened, with a long, thin tongue; they always keep a châu (gem/jewel) in their mouths (a symbol of humanity, nobility and knowledge). | |
| European dragons | |||
| Catalan dragon | drac | Catalan dragons are serpent-like creatures with two legs (rarely four) and, sometimes, a pair of wings. Their faces can resemble that of other animals, like lions or cattle. They have a burning breath. Their breath is also poisonous, the reason by which dracs are able to rot everything with their stench. A víbria is a female dragon. | |
| French dragons | Dragon  | Authors tend often to present the dragon legends as symbol of Christianity's victory over paganism, represented by a harmful dragon. The French representation of dragons spans much of European history, and has even given its name to the dragoons, a type of cavalry. | |
| Sardinian dragon | scultone | The dragon named "scultone" or "ascultone" appears in legends in Sardinia, Italy. It had the power to kill human beings with its gaze. It was a sort of basilisk, lived in the bush and was immortal. | |
| Scandinavian & Germanic dragons | Lindworm | Lindworms are serpent-like dragons with either two or no legs. In Nordic and Germanic heraldry, the lindworm looks the same as a wyvern. The dragon Fafnir was a lindworm. | |
| English dragons | Wyvern | Wyverns are common in medieval heraldry. Their usual blazon is statant. Wyverns are normally shown as dragons with two legs and two wings. | |
| The worm hill dragon | 700 AD the Anglo-Saxons settled and called it "Wruenele" this translates as "Wruen" worm, reptile or dragon and "ele" hill. According to local folklore the hill at Knotlow (Derbyshire) was the lair of a dragon and the terraces around it were made by the coils of its tail. Knotlow is an ancient volcanic vent and this may explain the myth. | ||
| The Bisterne Dragon | The New Forest folktale states that the dragon lived in Burley, Hampshire, and terrorised the village of Bisterne. It was finally killed in Lyndhurst, Hampshire by Sir Maurice de Berkeley and its body turned into a hill called Boltons Bench. Though the knight survived, the trauma of the battle drove him mad, and soon after he returned to the hill to die, his corpse becoming a yew tree. | ||
| The Bignor hill dragon | There is a brief mention of a Dragon on Bignor Hill south of the village of Bignor near the famous Roman Villa, apparently "A Large dragon had its den on Bignor Hill, and marks of its folds were to be seen on the hill". Similar legends have been told of ridges around other hills, such as at Wormhill in Derbyshire. | ||
| The Lambton Worm | The legend says that it curled around Worm Hill near Fatfield in northeast England, would eat livestock and children, and was killed during the time of theCrusades by a Sir John Lambton. | ||
| Welsh dragons | Y Ddraig Goch | In Welsh mythology, after a long battle (which the Welsh King Vortigern witnesses) a red dragon defeats a white dragon;Merlin explains to Vortigern that the red dragon symbolizes the Welsh, and the white dragon symbolizes the Saxons – thus foretelling the ultimate defeat of the English by the Welsh. The ddraig goch appears on the Welsh ¬ | |
| Zomok | A giant winged snake, which is in fact a full-grown zomok. It often serves as flying mount of the garabonciás (a kind of magician). The sárkánykígyó rules over storms and bad weather. | ||
| sárkány | A dragon in human form. Most of them are giants with multiple heads. Their strength is held in their heads. They become gradually weaker as they lose their heads.
In contemporary Hungarian the word sárkány is used to mean all kinds of dragons.
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| Slavic dragons | zmey, zmiy, żmij, змей, orzmaj, or drak, or smok | Similar to the conventional European dragon, but multi-headed. They breathe fire and/or leave fiery wakes as they fly. In Slavic and related tradition, dragons symbolize evil. Specific dragons are often given Turkic names (see Zilant, below), symbolizing the long-standing conflict between the Slavs and Turks. However, in Serbian and Bulgarian folklore, dragons are defenders of the crops in their home regions, fighting against a destructive demon Ala, whom they shoot with lightning.[2][3] | |
| Armenian dragon | Vishap | Related to European dragons | |
| Siberian dragon | Yilbegän | Related to European Turkic and Slavic dragons | |
| Romanian dragons | Balaur, Zburator | Balaur are very similar to the Slavic zmey: very large, with fins and multiple heads. | |
| Chuvash dragons | Vere Celen | Chuvash dragons represent the pre-Islamic mythology of the same region. | |
| Asturian and Leonese dragons | Cuélebre | In Asturias and León mythology the Cuélebres are giant winged serpents, which live in caves where they guard treasures and kidnapped xanas. They can live for centuries and, when they grow really old, they use their wings to fly. Their breath is poisonous and they often kill cattle to eat. Leonese language term Cuelebre comes from Latin colŭbra, i.e., snake. | |
| Albanian Dragons | Bolla | In the Albanian mythology Bolla (also known as Bullar in South Albania), is a type of serpentic dragon (or a demonic dragon-like creature) with a long, coiled, serpentine body, four legs and small wings in ancient Albanian folklore. This dragon sleeps throughout the whole year, only to wake on Saint George's Day, where its faceted silver eyes peer into the world. The Bolla does this until it sees a human. It devours the person, then closes its eyes and sleeps again.[4] Bolla was worshiped as the deity Boa by the ancestors of Albanians, Illyrians.[5] Bolla appears in the coat of arms of the House of Bua Shpata. | |
| Kulshedra | In its twelfth year, the bolla evolves by growing nine tongues, horns, spines and larger wings. At this time it will learn how to use its formerly hidden fire-breathing abilities, and is now called a kulshedra or kuçedra (hydra). The kuçedra causes droughts and lives off human sacrifices. Kulshedras are killed by Drangue, Albanian winged warriors with supernatural powers. Thunderstorms are conceived as battles between the drangues and the kulshedras. | ||
| Dreq | Dreq is the dragon (draco) proper. It was demonized by Christianity and now is one of the Albanian names of the devil. | ||
| Portuguesedragons | Coca | In Portuguese mythology coca is a female dragon that fights with Saint George. She loses her strength when Saint George cuts off one of her ears. | |
| Greek dragons | Drákōn – δράκων | Cadmus fighting the Ismenian dragon (which guarded the sacred spring of Ares) is a legendary story from the Greek lore dating to before ca. 560–550 B.C. Greek dragons commonly had a role of protecting important objects or places. For example, the Colchian dragon watched the Golden Fleece and the Nemean dragon guarded the sacred groves of Zeus.[6] The name comes from the Greek "drakeîn" meaning "to see clearly".[7] | |
| Tatar dragons | Zilant | Really closer to a wyvern or cockatrice, the Zilant is the symbol of Kazan. Zilant itself is a Russian rendering of Tataryılan, i.e., snake. | |
| Turkish dragons | Ejderha or Evren | The Turkish dragon secretes flames from its tail, and there is no mention in any legends of its having wings, or even legs. In fact, most Turkish (and later Islamic) sources describe dragons as gigantic snakes. | |
| Lithuanian Dragons | Slibinas | This dragon is more of a hydra with multiple heads, though sometimes it does appear with one head. | |
Humanity has the memory of the dragon. Scientists who study such things across cultures seem to believe the discovery of dinosaur bones lent to this idea of the dragon and to the legend of giants. This would, of course, require the discovery of a whole dinosaur corpse in EVERY culture of the world. Whereas the story of them in Eden passed on from the beginning, parent to child, would explain their omnipresence.
In the curse, we see the serpent had legs: he walked upright. God took that from him. He may have been a dinosaur or a dragon, a creature we have no bones from, perhaps the perfect reptile crafted specifically for the environment of Eden. If this happened before death haunted the world, then there would be no bones from that beast to be seen, We know there are vestigial bones on the skeletons of snakes that show they were able to walk at one time. The fact they lost their legs has not real biological advantage so the idea of natural selection holds little water when discussing this. The usual argument is it was a logical development at the time it occurred. Which is another way of saying it is so it must have been the right thing for natural selection to do.
Snakes don't have legs, right? Wrong--look closely! Pythons and boa constrictors have tiny hind leg bones buried in muscles toward their tail ends. Such features, either useless or poorly suited to performing specific tasks, are described as vestigial. They are also intriguing evidence of the evolutionary histories of species.
Vestigial legs are a clue that snakes descended from lizards. Over 100 million years ago, some lizards happened to be born with smaller legs, which, in certain environments, helped them move about unencumbered. As generation after generation survived and reproduced, this new form flourished. Over time, all members of the group were born with shorter legs, and eventually with no legs at all. Almost. The ancestor of boas and pythons retained very small vestigial legs, a trait passed on to its descendants, including the reticulated python seen here.
Please note that there is no proof of anything said about evolution here. Notice too that if small legs worked so well, there would be no reason for "nature" to "select" no legs. These are assumptions based on no evidence; reasoning backward: "They lost their legs so it must have happened this way."
this is myth, based on a greater myth. The arguments are preposterous on even the lightest consideration. Whereas the Bible said this was the case, a reptile losing it's legs because God took them. Thousands of years before here was any evidence ever mentioned in any text anywhere but the Bible. So which one has evidence of real knowledge and which one offers a guess?
Which leads to our curse.
this is myth, based on a greater myth. The arguments are preposterous on even the lightest consideration. Whereas the Bible said this was the case, a reptile losing it's legs because God took them. Thousands of years before here was any evidence ever mentioned in any text anywhere but the Bible. So which one has evidence of real knowledge and which one offers a guess?
Which leads to our curse.
MONDAY, MAY 02, 2016
Hindu organizations to start campaign to stop 'Hindus' from going to Church in Satna
Right wing Hindu organizations made an announcement on 2nd May 2016 at Satna that they will start a campaign to stop Hindus from going to Church according to a report published in Jansatta paper. Hindu groups claim that a large number of Hindus are being converted in the name of prayers being held every Sunday in Churches. This week itself a Hindu right wing group stormed in a Church and prevented a wedding. A leader of Bajrang Dal told the Indian express, "Because of our efforts no one went to the Sunday prayers this Sunday."
Our take: The targeting of Churches will increase because of this so called campaign. The government authorities must take notice and prevent communal elements from spreading hatred and from disturbing the harmony in society.
Try Christians for sedition says Madhya Pradesh member for minority welfare department
A member of the Madhya Pradesh Backward Classes and Minority Welfare Department who enjoys minister of state status, Laxmi Yadav, was present when Bajrang Dal activists stormed into a church in Satna on April 27 and stopped a wedding alleging the couple had converted.
As the Bajrang Dal insists Arun Kushwaha and Subhadra Kushwaha can marry only in a temple, Yadav said, “This is the first case in the country when Christians were caught red-handed converting and marrying OBCs. We will reconvert them, purify them after sprinkling Gangajal and hold a Hindu marriage for the couple. I am seeking legal opinion on whether sedition charge could be invoked against the Christians for waging a war against the country.”
Bajrang Dal leader Rajkumar Mishra, who has spearheaded campaigns against conversion, love jihad and cow slaughter and claims to have “saved hundreds of Hindu girls”, led a protest two days after the Church attack where an effigy of the Pope was burnt in front of a leading Catholic school of Satna. The protesters tried to enter the school premises too but were stopped by police.
Both Arun, 24, who has studied up to Class XII, and Subhadra insist they have not formally converted to Christianity, only undergone “man parivartan (a change of heart)”. They say their families were attracted to Christianity after their ailing parents, who couldn’t be helped by medical practitioners, were cured.
“We went to five doctors, and then the sixth (Christ) cured them, so we started believing in Him,” says Arun.
However, the Bajrang Dal men kept asking them why they were getting married in a church if they hadn’t converted, they say. The couple had chosen April 27 for the wedding as it was Arun’s birthday.
Bajrang Dal activists had barged into the Church of God (Full Gospel) in India, where the wedding was happening, followed by the local police, roughed up relatives from both sides, and stopped the ceremony. Police say they went because they were told “conversion was taking place”.
Pastor Sam Samuel says Wednesday’s was the first-ever wedding being held at the church that came up in 1998. “The presence of so many Hindus, many of whom believe in our way, had the right wing worried. Police abused us in front of the activists and later apologised saying they had to put up an act,” he says. He says he was also asked by police not to visit the church or his first-floor residence that night and later not to venture out of his home.
Amid claims and counterclaims over conversion, and proof demanded by right-wing activists, police checked Subhadra’s Class VIII mark-sheet and found that she was 10 days short of turning 18. Nine persons, including six pastors and Arun, were arrested and a case registered under the anti-conversion law, prevention of child marriage law and the IPC section related to hurting religious sentiments. They were released on bail late in the night.
“No one misbehaved with me but they pushed Arun around and asked how and why did he convert to Christianity,” says a distraught Subhadra.
As the Bajrang Dal insists Arun Kushwaha and Subhadra Kushwaha can marry only in a temple, Yadav said, “This is the first case in the country when Christians were caught red-handed converting and marrying OBCs. We will reconvert them, purify them after sprinkling Gangajal and hold a Hindu marriage for the couple. I am seeking legal opinion on whether sedition charge could be invoked against the Christians for waging a war against the country.”
Bajrang Dal leader Rajkumar Mishra, who has spearheaded campaigns against conversion, love jihad and cow slaughter and claims to have “saved hundreds of Hindu girls”, led a protest two days after the Church attack where an effigy of the Pope was burnt in front of a leading Catholic school of Satna. The protesters tried to enter the school premises too but were stopped by police.
Both Arun, 24, who has studied up to Class XII, and Subhadra insist they have not formally converted to Christianity, only undergone “man parivartan (a change of heart)”. They say their families were attracted to Christianity after their ailing parents, who couldn’t be helped by medical practitioners, were cured.
“We went to five doctors, and then the sixth (Christ) cured them, so we started believing in Him,” says Arun.
However, the Bajrang Dal men kept asking them why they were getting married in a church if they hadn’t converted, they say. The couple had chosen April 27 for the wedding as it was Arun’s birthday.
Bajrang Dal activists had barged into the Church of God (Full Gospel) in India, where the wedding was happening, followed by the local police, roughed up relatives from both sides, and stopped the ceremony. Police say they went because they were told “conversion was taking place”.
Pastor Sam Samuel says Wednesday’s was the first-ever wedding being held at the church that came up in 1998. “The presence of so many Hindus, many of whom believe in our way, had the right wing worried. Police abused us in front of the activists and later apologised saying they had to put up an act,” he says. He says he was also asked by police not to visit the church or his first-floor residence that night and later not to venture out of his home.
Amid claims and counterclaims over conversion, and proof demanded by right-wing activists, police checked Subhadra’s Class VIII mark-sheet and found that she was 10 days short of turning 18. Nine persons, including six pastors and Arun, were arrested and a case registered under the anti-conversion law, prevention of child marriage law and the IPC section related to hurting religious sentiments. They were released on bail late in the night.
“No one misbehaved with me but they pushed Arun around and asked how and why did he convert to Christianity,” says a distraught Subhadra.
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