VIII.
The Deluge: Part 3
Ge 6:12 And God, looking on the earth, saw that it was evil: for the way of all flesh had become evil on the earth.
13 And God said to Noah, The end of all flesh has come; the earth is full of their violent doings, and now I will put an end to them with the earth.
(BBE)
Flesh was overridden with spiritual, physical and mental evil. Fleshly thought followed lines away from God even as the body followed and the corrupt spirit applauded. and "Mother Earth" was perverted and had to be cleansed as well.
Our flesh could die. Noah took several years putting the boat together, gathering the animals and telling everyone in the world that they were going to die and they were too busy having orgies and trying to kill each other to pay attention. There's a sitcom in there somewhere.
So I don't just tell you there are flood stories from around the world:
This is from Wikipedia so take it as you will.
You can also note something mentioned from my blog on Jonah http://truejonah.blogspot.com/
The Ninevites had a God who was half fish. half man clearly harking to the god's avatar shown above in the Indian myth of the flood. Crossovers like this powered Campbell notions of psychological origins to myths. Whereas the story of the Flood would indicate the origins of myths are from the reality of the Bible. That Noah's sons took the stories to the world that grew outside of Godly obedience and the world had it's way with the unwritten truth. Look at the beginning of the goddess myths we discussed even as Eden stood nearby. These days we have people who commit crimes, are "captured" by phone cameras or videos that are all over, and then proceed to deny doing it or blame the the victim or run to their home country and hide behind their gold medals. The "truth" seems fluid as a raging torrent and I'm sure it was that way as Noah's sons and their progeny spread across the globe.
Back to the Flood. Creation Science suggests there was a water canopy over the Earth keeping out harmful radiation and allowing longer life and suggests God's point about limiting the age of people was a part of destroying the canopy. The breaking of the water "shield" would explain the rain and the opening of the wells of the world would mean the flooding from the Earth itself.
Ge 7:1 And the Lord said to Noah, Take all your family and go into the ark, for you only in this generation have I seen to be upright.
2 Of every clean beast you will take seven males and seven females, and of the beasts which are not clean, two, the male and his female;
3 And of the birds of the air, seven males and seven females, so that their seed may still be living on the face of the earth.
4 For after seven days I will send rain on the earth for forty days and forty nights, for the destruction of every living thing which I have made on the face of the earth.
5 And Noah did everything which the Lord said he was to do.
6 And Noah was six hundred years old when the waters came flowing over all the earth.
7 And Noah, with his sons and his wife and his sons' wives, went into the ark because of the flowing of the waters.
8 Of clean beasts, and of beasts which are not clean, and of birds, and of everything which goes on the earth,
9 In twos, male and female, they went into the ark with Noah, as God had said.
10 And after the seven days, the waters came over all the earth.
11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, all the fountains of the great deep came bursting through, and the windows of heaven were open;
12 And rain came down on the earth for forty days and forty nights.
13 On the same day Noah, with Shem, Ham, and Japheth, his sons, and his wife and his sons' wives, went into the ark;
14 And with them, every sort of beast and cattle, and every sort of thing which goes on the earth, and every sort of bird.
15 They went with Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh in which is the breath of life.
16 Male and female of all flesh went in, as God had said, and the ark was shut by the Lord.
17 And for forty days the waters were over all the earth; and the waters were increased so that the ark was lifted up high over the earth.
18 And the waters overcame everything and were increased greatly on the earth, and the ark was resting on the face of the waters.
19 And the waters overcame everything on the earth; and all the mountains under heaven were covered.
20 The waters went fifteen cubits higher, till all the mountains were covered.
21 And destruction came on every living thing moving on the earth, birds and cattle and beasts and everything which went on the earth, and every man.
22 Everything on the dry land, in which was the breath of life, came to its end.
23 Every living thing on the face of all the earth, man and cattle and things moving on the face of the earth, and birds of the air, came to destruction: only Noah and those who were with him in the ark, were kept from death.
24 And the waters were over the earth a hundred and fifty days.
(BBE)
Outside of Creation Science which has worked to explain the Bible account, those working "independently" have proven the massive flood in the Mesopotamian area. They suggest it was a local flood.
Outside sources, however, also suggest there was a massive ice age going on that reached almost to the equator from the North Pole. Some add in the South Pole. They suggest the geological disturbances of the Earth across the world from that time come from the Ice Age. There are suggestions this ice age along with the destruction of the dinosaurs came from the impact of a huge meteor in the Gulf of Mexico. .
Such a meteor would certainly have served to break a canopy and a melting ice sheet would certainly have flooded the world as well.
I see nothing inconsistent with a local flood killing all men since the lines of Cain and Seth were in that Mesopotamian area and they are the only concern of Biblical discussion. There is also nothing inconsistent with seeing a global flood that left all the trace evidence we see and blame on ice ages.
What is inconsistent is our realization of God.
Every time we turn around we seem intent on some sort of limitation of God based on OUR knowledge. The outsider can't see a God big enough to destroy the whole world with water. Maybe some area of the Middle East. Atlantis, Oceania, All those other myths are just myths based on local floods. An insider feels the need to find evidence that supports a scientific explanation. the SF idea of a canopy actually fits some of the Biblical story so it gets worked in. And we say "See, we have an alternative theory. We demand it be taught in school." And discussion becomes argument.
I prefer to look at it this way.
GOD.
A God that can make a universe hardly has to wink to flood one puny planet. He could have ended the disease of the giant gene in a breathe. He could have ended humanity at the Garden. He could have never let Satan live.
We often choose, as Satan, to see that as meaning a limited God. We see love as a weakness. We love with limits. We can see caring for our children but not their children, We can see a world that needs salvation but going that extra mile seems difficult. We admire God, admit it, secretly, we do, for his capacity to obliterate the "wrong" people and spare the "pure" line. Except the line was infected. To end it completely God should have stopped everything. No failed race, no failed anything. I wonder how the angels actually see us, since they know he threw out their brothers for their failure. Did they ask him why the Fallen were spared? Are we the example of love so the angels can see he would have treated even those who are in the image of his Son that way, too? Would God feel any need to explain himself then or now? Will he do anything but smile at our attempts to figure things like the Flood out?
Yet He tells us He is otherwise than weak and ineffective. He is all-knowing and complete. He is three-in-one. He has a plan, a design. We are part of something that was going on before us and will go on with some of us long after the planet and our reality are gone.
God. Dispensationalism says he has a plan lined up with covenants with people, then A People, then His People, It is blocked out nicely to study and it makes it easy to think we have God in a book. Or a box.
Other religious bents have systems. The angels being called "sons of God" took Herbert Armstrong into the idea that we were created to replace the lost angels. It took Joseph Smith into the notion that Christ was also an angel but that angels are small gods, that we are to become gods and rule planets. It led to the Manifest Sons of God movement that has perverted the postmillenial belief system even more with the idea wee take over the Earth and purify it with the Law for Christ to then come back and rule. Problem being there is nothing Biblical about it unless you consider Satan tempting Christ to take his Kingdom early without sacrifice as a a biblical mandate.
In which case, why wouldn't God have given Noah a tank and several AK's and let him wipe out the evil human race?
Outsiders believe this shows God to be evil and a monster, that He would destroy humanity with a Flood or any other thing. I offer the notion of the infection as explanation but God needs none. He is GOD. If they are so appalled, ask them why they are here then. They are fallen, evil, with no redeeming quality. (This also will offend them) So why are they walking the Earth? Why are you and I?
Grace. Noah found Grace. Noah's line would produce Jesus. Also a slew of others fallen and never redeemed. But the plan was in effect, Despite that giant gene.
Now let's push on. the Flood came however it did. It swallowed life and left the remnant in a pitch- sealed boat that landed on the side of a mountain. Everything that needed the land had drown. And we arrive at the place which answers our question: How was God going to prevent the giant gene from infecting the whole of what was left of the human race?
(I include the link to the bible League, Please read and consider donating
https://www.bibleleague.org/ )
The Deluge: Part 3
Ge 6:12 And God, looking on the earth, saw that it was evil: for the way of all flesh had become evil on the earth.
13 And God said to Noah, The end of all flesh has come; the earth is full of their violent doings, and now I will put an end to them with the earth.
(BBE)
Flesh was overridden with spiritual, physical and mental evil. Fleshly thought followed lines away from God even as the body followed and the corrupt spirit applauded. and "Mother Earth" was perverted and had to be cleansed as well.
Our flesh could die. Noah took several years putting the boat together, gathering the animals and telling everyone in the world that they were going to die and they were too busy having orgies and trying to kill each other to pay attention. There's a sitcom in there somewhere.
So I don't just tell you there are flood stories from around the world:
List of flood myths
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The flood myths or deluge myths are, taken collectively, myths of a great flood. These accounts depict global flooding, usually sent by a deity or deities to destroy civilization as an act of divine retribution. Flood stories are common across a wide range of cultures, extending back into prehistory. Below is a list of some flood stories from around the world and is in no way exhaustive.
West Asia and Europe[edit]
Ancient Near East[edit]
Sumerian[edit]
Babylonian (Epic of Gilgamesh)[edit]
Abrahamic religions (Noah's flood)[edit]Genesis flood narrative
Classical Antiquity[edit]
Medieval Europe[edit]
Irish[edit]
Welsh[edit]
Norse[edit]
Modern era folklore[edit]
Finnish[edit]
Africa[edit]
Many African cultures have an oral tradition of a flood myth including the Kwaya, Mbuti, Maasai, Mandin, and Yoruba peoples.[1]
Asia-Pacific[edit]
India[edit]
- Manu and Matsya: The legend first appears in Shatapatha Brahmana (700–300 BCE), and is further detailed in Matsya Purana (250–500 CE). Matsya (the incarnation of Lord Vishnu as a fish) forewarns Manu (a human) about an impending catastrophic flood and orders him to collect all the grains of the world in a boat; in some forms of the story, all living creatures are also to be preserved in the boat. When the flood destroys the world, Manu – in some versions accompanied by the seven great sages – survives by boarding the ark, which Matsya pulls to safety.
- Puluga, the creator god in the religion of the indigenous inhabitants of the Andaman Islands, sends a devastating flood to punish people who have forgotten his commands. Only four people survive this flood: two men and two women.
China[edit]
Korea[edit]
- Mokdoryung
Malaysia[edit]
Tai-Kadai people[edit]
There are stories spoken by Tai-Kadai people, included Zhuang, Thai, Shan and Lao, talking about the origin of them and the deluge from their Thean (แถน), supreme being object of faith.
- Khun Borom
- Poo-Sankhasa Ya-Sangkhasi or Grandfather Sangkhasa and Grandmother Sangkhasi, who make the human beings and the deluge.
Philippines[edit]
The Igorot tale:
Oceania[edit]
Polynesia and Hawaii[edit]
Americas[edit]
North America[edit]
- Hopi mythology – Entrance into the Fourth World
- W̱SÁNEĆ peoples, flood myth [3]
- Comox people – Legend of Queneesh
- Anishinaabe - The Creation Story - Turtle Island [4]
- Inuit, flood myth [5]
Mesoamerica[edit]
South America[edit]
Canari[edit]
Inca[edit]
Mapuche[edit]
Muisca[edit]
Tupi[edit]
This is from Wikipedia so take it as you will.
You can also note something mentioned from my blog on Jonah http://truejonah.blogspot.com/
The Ninevites had a God who was half fish. half man clearly harking to the god's avatar shown above in the Indian myth of the flood. Crossovers like this powered Campbell notions of psychological origins to myths. Whereas the story of the Flood would indicate the origins of myths are from the reality of the Bible. That Noah's sons took the stories to the world that grew outside of Godly obedience and the world had it's way with the unwritten truth. Look at the beginning of the goddess myths we discussed even as Eden stood nearby. These days we have people who commit crimes, are "captured" by phone cameras or videos that are all over, and then proceed to deny doing it or blame the the victim or run to their home country and hide behind their gold medals. The "truth" seems fluid as a raging torrent and I'm sure it was that way as Noah's sons and their progeny spread across the globe.
Back to the Flood. Creation Science suggests there was a water canopy over the Earth keeping out harmful radiation and allowing longer life and suggests God's point about limiting the age of people was a part of destroying the canopy. The breaking of the water "shield" would explain the rain and the opening of the wells of the world would mean the flooding from the Earth itself.
Ge 7:1 And the Lord said to Noah, Take all your family and go into the ark, for you only in this generation have I seen to be upright.
2 Of every clean beast you will take seven males and seven females, and of the beasts which are not clean, two, the male and his female;
3 And of the birds of the air, seven males and seven females, so that their seed may still be living on the face of the earth.
4 For after seven days I will send rain on the earth for forty days and forty nights, for the destruction of every living thing which I have made on the face of the earth.
5 And Noah did everything which the Lord said he was to do.
6 And Noah was six hundred years old when the waters came flowing over all the earth.
7 And Noah, with his sons and his wife and his sons' wives, went into the ark because of the flowing of the waters.
8 Of clean beasts, and of beasts which are not clean, and of birds, and of everything which goes on the earth,
9 In twos, male and female, they went into the ark with Noah, as God had said.
10 And after the seven days, the waters came over all the earth.
11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, all the fountains of the great deep came bursting through, and the windows of heaven were open;
12 And rain came down on the earth for forty days and forty nights.
13 On the same day Noah, with Shem, Ham, and Japheth, his sons, and his wife and his sons' wives, went into the ark;
14 And with them, every sort of beast and cattle, and every sort of thing which goes on the earth, and every sort of bird.
15 They went with Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh in which is the breath of life.
16 Male and female of all flesh went in, as God had said, and the ark was shut by the Lord.
17 And for forty days the waters were over all the earth; and the waters were increased so that the ark was lifted up high over the earth.
18 And the waters overcame everything and were increased greatly on the earth, and the ark was resting on the face of the waters.
19 And the waters overcame everything on the earth; and all the mountains under heaven were covered.
20 The waters went fifteen cubits higher, till all the mountains were covered.
21 And destruction came on every living thing moving on the earth, birds and cattle and beasts and everything which went on the earth, and every man.
22 Everything on the dry land, in which was the breath of life, came to its end.
23 Every living thing on the face of all the earth, man and cattle and things moving on the face of the earth, and birds of the air, came to destruction: only Noah and those who were with him in the ark, were kept from death.
24 And the waters were over the earth a hundred and fifty days.
(BBE)
Outside of Creation Science which has worked to explain the Bible account, those working "independently" have proven the massive flood in the Mesopotamian area. They suggest it was a local flood.
Outside sources, however, also suggest there was a massive ice age going on that reached almost to the equator from the North Pole. Some add in the South Pole. They suggest the geological disturbances of the Earth across the world from that time come from the Ice Age. There are suggestions this ice age along with the destruction of the dinosaurs came from the impact of a huge meteor in the Gulf of Mexico. .
Such a meteor would certainly have served to break a canopy and a melting ice sheet would certainly have flooded the world as well.
I see nothing inconsistent with a local flood killing all men since the lines of Cain and Seth were in that Mesopotamian area and they are the only concern of Biblical discussion. There is also nothing inconsistent with seeing a global flood that left all the trace evidence we see and blame on ice ages.
What is inconsistent is our realization of God.
Every time we turn around we seem intent on some sort of limitation of God based on OUR knowledge. The outsider can't see a God big enough to destroy the whole world with water. Maybe some area of the Middle East. Atlantis, Oceania, All those other myths are just myths based on local floods. An insider feels the need to find evidence that supports a scientific explanation. the SF idea of a canopy actually fits some of the Biblical story so it gets worked in. And we say "See, we have an alternative theory. We demand it be taught in school." And discussion becomes argument.
I prefer to look at it this way.
GOD.
A God that can make a universe hardly has to wink to flood one puny planet. He could have ended the disease of the giant gene in a breathe. He could have ended humanity at the Garden. He could have never let Satan live.
We often choose, as Satan, to see that as meaning a limited God. We see love as a weakness. We love with limits. We can see caring for our children but not their children, We can see a world that needs salvation but going that extra mile seems difficult. We admire God, admit it, secretly, we do, for his capacity to obliterate the "wrong" people and spare the "pure" line. Except the line was infected. To end it completely God should have stopped everything. No failed race, no failed anything. I wonder how the angels actually see us, since they know he threw out their brothers for their failure. Did they ask him why the Fallen were spared? Are we the example of love so the angels can see he would have treated even those who are in the image of his Son that way, too? Would God feel any need to explain himself then or now? Will he do anything but smile at our attempts to figure things like the Flood out?
Yet He tells us He is otherwise than weak and ineffective. He is all-knowing and complete. He is three-in-one. He has a plan, a design. We are part of something that was going on before us and will go on with some of us long after the planet and our reality are gone.
God. Dispensationalism says he has a plan lined up with covenants with people, then A People, then His People, It is blocked out nicely to study and it makes it easy to think we have God in a book. Or a box.
Other religious bents have systems. The angels being called "sons of God" took Herbert Armstrong into the idea that we were created to replace the lost angels. It took Joseph Smith into the notion that Christ was also an angel but that angels are small gods, that we are to become gods and rule planets. It led to the Manifest Sons of God movement that has perverted the postmillenial belief system even more with the idea wee take over the Earth and purify it with the Law for Christ to then come back and rule. Problem being there is nothing Biblical about it unless you consider Satan tempting Christ to take his Kingdom early without sacrifice as a a biblical mandate.
In which case, why wouldn't God have given Noah a tank and several AK's and let him wipe out the evil human race?
Outsiders believe this shows God to be evil and a monster, that He would destroy humanity with a Flood or any other thing. I offer the notion of the infection as explanation but God needs none. He is GOD. If they are so appalled, ask them why they are here then. They are fallen, evil, with no redeeming quality. (This also will offend them) So why are they walking the Earth? Why are you and I?
Grace. Noah found Grace. Noah's line would produce Jesus. Also a slew of others fallen and never redeemed. But the plan was in effect, Despite that giant gene.
Now let's push on. the Flood came however it did. It swallowed life and left the remnant in a pitch- sealed boat that landed on the side of a mountain. Everything that needed the land had drown. And we arrive at the place which answers our question: How was God going to prevent the giant gene from infecting the whole of what was left of the human race?
(I include the link to the bible League, Please read and consider donating
https://www.bibleleague.org/ )
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